International What's going on in the UK --- Rwanda Bill

[Siver!]

The choices are pretend to slow down replacement migration or don’t even pretend to slow down replacement migration. Raises the question as to why there’s not a party serious about slowing migration that’s viable.

Migration? I'm more concerned about the economy.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

The problem in the UK is the same as the problem in Canada. The 'conservatives' are just slighly less insane liberals.

There's no actual conservative party.

 

[The Big Yin]

On that note, I hope the LibDems don't get a look in after their Tory coalition.

Sell outs.

Well be prepared to be disappointed as it's looking like they will make some pretty significant gains (if the local council results can be relied upon). The simple fact is voters are drawn to the big 3. 2 are repellant and the other is almost invisible.

 

[Billy no mates]

The UK is a conservative country and it doesnt matter how much Lefties want to believe it isn't. Corbyn was too radical in the eyes of a lot of Brits.

To radical or a bit scruffy looking ? , I think the latter was probably just as big a factor in his down fall as the former . A bit like Kinnock being Welsh and a ginge meant he could never have hoped to become PM .
I think a bit like the Royals Tories get a pass for being odd looking because subconciously we have been conditioned to both expect and accept that they will mostly likely be inbred toff freaks .

 

[Busgosu]

what's the problem in the UK? wasn't the UE their problem and weren't them supposed to take over the world after leaving?

 

[The_Renaissance]

To radical or a bit scruffy looking ? , I think the latter was probably just as big a factor in his down fall as the former . A bit like Kinnock being Welsh and a ginge meant he could never have hoped to become PM .
I think a bit like the Royals Tories get a pass for being odd looking because subconciously we have been conditioned to both expect and accept that they will mostly likely be inbred toff freaks .

I saw a great summary of Corbyn which was "he's what a 6th form student thinks a politician should look and sound like."

That's it in a nutshell - he was too "Power the people" / 'Citizen Smith' for most people to accept to be honest. I'm sure the scruffiness turned off the upper middle class types, yeah.

 

[CyberRubberDuck]

The British people would never vote for the kind of politician they claim to want.

They say they want someone honest, principled and public spirited, but then reject someone like Corbyn, and elect a flimflam man like Boris in a landslide.

The people in power aren't going to let the public decide something as important as who is in power.....

 

[650lb Sumo]

The choices are pretend to slow down replacement migration or don’t even pretend to slow down replacement migration. Raises the question as to why there’s not a party serious about slowing migration that’s viable.

You missed out the options 'stop immigration' and 'reverse immigration'.

 

[jimbob27]

The problem in the UK is the same as the problem in Canada. The 'conservatives' are just slighly less insane liberals.

There's no actual conservative party.

It's worse than that... their full name is the Conservative and Unionist party, yet since Nigel Farage rattled them in the 2015 election, they've been doing their best to fuck every union the country is a part of.

It's not necessarily a bad thing when two parties converge in the middle - it shows they're still trying to appeal to the centre ground of the electorate. It's a better like that than having two polar opposite groups of wackjobs to pick from.

The issue isn't that the tories have become too liberal, the problem is that they're useless on every measureable metric you can think of. The economy, social issues, healthcare, policing, migration, trade... they're shit at all of it.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Migration? I'm more concerned about the economy.

What specifically? UK seems to be above average for western and Northern Europe in gdp growth percentages and real wages

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/...ies-have-seen-the-biggest-changes-in-salaries

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-annual-growth-rate?continent=europe

 

[The Big Yin]

It's worse than that... their full name is the Conservative and Unionist party, yet since Nigel Farage rattled them in the 2015 election, they've been doing their best to fuck every union the country is a part of.

It's not necessarily a bad thing when two parties converge in the middle - it shows they're still trying to appeal to the centre ground of the electorate. It's a better like that than having two polar opposite groups of wackjobs to pick from.

The issue isn't that the tories have become too liberal, the problem is that they're useless on every measureable metric you can think of. The economy, social issues, healthcare, policing, migration, trade... they're shit at all of it.

It's even worse than that. The perceived incompetence is actually malice. Take this migrant crisis for instance. Companies like Serco (of which Labour & Tory both have hefty shares in) are making a killing in housing and processing them. Behind every failure, somebody is making obscene amounts of money.

 

[Siver!]

What specifically? UK seems to be above average for western and Northern Europe in gdp growth percentages and real wages

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/...ies-have-seen-the-biggest-changes-in-salaries

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-annual-growth-rate?continent=europe

It's true that flag waving his resumed after an extremely dour period, but we've had about as much underinvestment as a country can realistically take.

Now Rishi daredn't even commit to HS2 to Manchester, and is having to shit on party policy related to (the dreaded) green agenda - the popularity of which is irrelevant when it's a core piece of the promised puzzle.

We will quickly fall behind - AGAIN - if our economic recovery is based - AGAIN - on endless Tory austerity.

Then there's the perpetual problem of a grossly underfunded public sector.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

I saw a great summary of Corbyn which was "he's what a 6th form student thinks a politician should look and sound like."

That's it in a nutshell - he was too "Power the people" / 'Citizen Smith' for most people to accept to be honest. I'm sure the scruffiness turned off the upper middle class types, yeah.

Corbyn also got smeared as an anti-semite which is basically death for a Western politician. Too many casuals who don't pay significant attention will just read or hear headlines smearing him and vote accordingly, or abstain from voting when they might have voted for his party otherwise.

It's also something that is a bit concerning is there are so many casual "Vote" campaigns that skip the educate yourself first. Instead of "Research. Learn. Vote." It's always just "Vote". People can say the first part is implied, but reality is people don't do their homework, or will just cast a vote blindly based on who is telling them to "Vote."

 

[Siver!]

Corbyn also got smeared as an anti-semite which is basically death for a Western politician. Too many casuals who don't pay significant attention will just read or hear headlines smearing him and vote accordingly, or abstain from voting when they might have voted for his party otherwise.

It's also something that is a bit concerning is there are so many casual "Vote" campaigns that skip the educate yourself first. Instead of "Research. Learn. Vote." It's always just "Vote". People can say the first part is implied, but reality is people don't do their homework, or will just cast a vote blindly based on who is telling them to "Vote."

Don't forget the IRA smear!

 

[avenue94]

The choices are pretend to slow down replacement migration or don’t even pretend to slow down replacement migration. Raises the question as to why there’s not a party serious about slowing migration that’s viable.

Because slowing migration down at a time when you are below replacement rate is a bad idea for a country, especially one with a safety net like the UK that needs people to pay into.

 

[Siver!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66982168

Half a million people in Scotland are living in "very deep poverty", an anti-poverty charity report has found.

The Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRT) said poverty for working people was growing and 10% of employees were in locked in persistent low pay.

Women and ethnic minorities were most at risk, and 60% of children in poverty have at least one working parent.

The UK government said it was giving "unprecedented support", and economic growth was the best way to cut poverty.

The charity considered "relative poverty", "very deep poverty" and "in-work poverty" in Scotland.

The latest JRT State of the Nation report said more than a million people, including 250,000 children, were living in relative poverty.

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"Getting people into work" tends to get a lot of attention.

It removes those people from dependence on benefits, saving governments money. And in much political rhetoric, it's given a moral dimension, or is seen to provide dignity.

But if that is the target, it skews resources towards getting people over that employment line, and stopping there. With the mantra of progression ABC - Any job, Better job, Career - the emphasis is on 'A'.

What the Joseph Rowntree Foundation is highlighting are the parts which get less attention - getting above a poverty level of in-work income, and making progress to higher pay still.

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More difficult for the government to flag wave over, but as outlined in the article, "getting people into work" is generally the paper over the cracks caused by poverty.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Corbyn also got smeared as an anti-semite which is basically death for a Western politician. Too many casuals who don't pay significant attention will just read or hear headlines smearing him and vote accordingly, or abstain from voting when they might have voted for his party otherwise.

It's also something that is a bit concerning is there are so many casual "Vote" campaigns that skip the educate yourself first. Instead of "Research. Learn. Vote." It's always just "Vote". People can say the first part is implied, but reality is people don't do their homework, or will just cast a vote blindly based on who is telling them to "Vote."

That election was the first real concrete proof I had that our media is just a propaganda machine for whichever party is in charge.

All the talked about was Corbyn being anti semitic for the entire campaign yet there were videos of Boris making fun of Muslim women and......tumbleweed.

It's not party related either. If Corbyn had been in charge at the time you'd have heard nothing about his anti Semitism and nonstop coverage of Boris being an Islamaphobe (combined with several high profile brown Tories like Sunak, resigning in protesr).

 

[curryjunkie]

I have a fan, how flattering.

The post you've quoted says that I think Ireland and other EU members could and should, take more refugees to ease the strain on places Italy and Greece.

What point are you trying to make?

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/...s-arriving-in-ireland-decreases-figures-show/ oh no, how will we cope!

 

[uppercutbus]

The choices are pretend to slow down replacement migration or don’t even pretend to slow down replacement migration. Raises the question as to why there’s not a party serious about slowing migration that’s viable.

Tories don't sound too right wing if they're like that tbh. More like establishment democrats by US standards. Their behavior with speech (Online Saftey Bill) sounds exactly how Labor would behave too plus their reaction to milquetoast tweets.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Tories have no chance this next election imo. Everyone I know who usually votes Tory isn't voting for them this time