International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

[Rholk]

 

[Samjj]

"Reconquering" is sort of a light term here. This is not like Russia Ukraine where there are lines and defensive positions. They would just have to reclear the same area. And in many places there aren't even structures behind which to reconstitute an insurgency. And if you think military occupations are hard, they'll only be harder for any substantially smaller, less well trained and equipped force coming from any other nation.

I disagree. Israel and Fatah maintain a sort of surface level hostility, but really Fatah is a useful idiot. They had, at least at one point, some legitimacy among the Palestinian people, but also absolutely no mechanism to prevent Israel from doing any of its objectives.

Third party is sort of the worst of all worlds. No third party would be able to stop Israel from doing whatever it wanted, in terms of what you're hoping for. No third party would have any legitimacy with the Palestinians, notwithstanding all being loosely "Arab." And many nations have some interest in a resolution of the Israel conflict but I haven't heard anything about any of them wanting to put their own boots on the ground to effectuate it.

Respectfully agree to disagree on your last two points.

We will see in due time.

 

[The_Renaissance]

Respectfully agree to disagree on your last two points.

We will see in due time.

Also the "boots on the ground " comment is funny. If boots genuinely hit the ground (ie - white westerners) the land would literally be razed. You know the hatred of the white westerner colonisers? It's for a reason. We absolutely destroyed anyone who we wanted to destroy. Let's not let this happen again.

 

[iwannabeadored]

Israel to close Al Jazeera news network in the country

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu posted on X that the operations of Qatar-based news channel Al Jazeera in Israel will be closed.

www.yahoo.com

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a post on X: “The government headed by me unanimously decided: the incitement channel Al Jazeera will be closed in Israel.”



Are we done pretending Israel is some sort democracy ?

 

[Chad R. Thundercock]

Israel to close Al Jazeera news network in the country

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu posted on X that the operations of Qatar-based news channel Al Jazeera in Israel will be closed.

www.yahoo.com

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a post on X: “The government headed by me unanimously decided: the incitement channel Al Jazeera will be closed in Israel.”



Are we done pretending Israel is some sort democracy ?

Yeah, bro. Israel should just let this completely biased news outlet continue to exist and publish lies about them. Never mind the fact that it's sponsored by the Qatari government - the same cocksuckers who are funding Hamas and giving refuge to its leaders.

Great fucking logic there, wannabe American.

 

[Hog-train]

Israel to close Al Jazeera news network in the country

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu posted on X that the operations of Qatar-based news channel Al Jazeera in Israel will be closed.

www.yahoo.com

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a post on X: “The government headed by me unanimously decided: the incitement channel Al Jazeera will be closed in Israel.”



Are we done pretending Israel is some sort democracy ?

They're a secular democracy though!

 

[HereticBD]

They're a secular democracy though!

And yet, you want Tik Tok banned from the US...

 

[Rob Battisti]

brazen

 

[iwannabeadored]

And yet, you want Tik Tok banned from the US...

Tik tok isn’t a news station lol. It’s an app…

 

[Samjj]

Yeah, not to mention any number of European countries which shuttered RT offices as they were obviously propaganda boxes for the Kremlin.

 

[HereticBD]

Yea because China is stealing all the user data. A news agency is not stealing user info.

It's also a propaganda tool. Much like Israel believes Al Jazeera is. This isn't anything new. America doesn't allow Russian state TV on their airwaves.

You just have a problem with this particular nation controlling what media it allows, for very obvious reasons.

 

[Rholk]

 

[Hog-train]

It's also a propaganda tool. Much like Israel believes Al Jazeera is. This isn't anything new. America doesn't allow Russian state TV on their airwaves.

You just have a problem with this particular nation controlling what media it allows, for very obvious reasons.

I don't have a problem at all with a foreign country controlling what their media says. However, I'm challenging calling themselves a "secular democracy."

 

[iwannabeadored]

Yeah, not to mention any number of European countries which shuttered RT offices as they were obviously propaganda boxes for the Kremlin.

The longer this goes on, the more Revalations
Of Israel wrong doing comes to light. I think you know this as well. Israel is trying extremely hard to win the PR war but there’s just too many dead bodies at this point.


I think a lot of Israelis that support the government deep down know this shit is wrong but the ends justify the means. And they see this as a necessary evil

 

[Halifax]

Yea because China is stealing all the user data. A news agency is not stealing user info.



Yea those are all shitty theocracies. Israel is the only one saying "we're a secular democracy!"

Muslim "Theocracies" banning Al-jazeera because they back the radical Muslim brotherhood groups and their offshoots. How quaint.

To be fair, I think you meant to say "authoritarian" not "theocracies". unless you want to explain how some of these republics and constitutional monarchies are theocracies ruled by clerics.

In any case., I guess Canada, Germany, the UK...most of the EU are all pretty bad in your eyes for shuttering and kicking out RT and preventing their broadcast because we considered them a kremlin propaganda machine eh?

 

[Stump]

Absolutely.

Do you think the deals offered to Arafat fully constitute statehood?

What does right to a state mean? Are there certain concessions you could make to the concept of statehood as compared to the one you presumably enjoy? Like, if your state didn't have Autonomy over its water, and had its territory fractured and divided by checkpoints, with its borders controlled by a neighbour, would you still consider it a state?

Maybe this isn't directly related to statehood, but is more cultural - but if members of your country had left, and wanted to come back, would you not consider that a part of legitimate statehood, to be able to enact this return?

I'm just wondering how you can be so strongly supportive of the idea of a Palestinian state, but also feel that Arafat is responsible for rejecting a generous offer. Maybe you have a more elastic concept of the word "state" than I do.

 

[mjfan23]

Israel to close Al Jazeera news network in the country

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu posted on X that the operations of Qatar-based news channel Al Jazeera in Israel will be closed.

www.yahoo.com

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a post on X: “The government headed by me unanimously decided: the incitement channel Al Jazeera will be closed in Israel.”



Are we done pretending Israel is some sort democracy ?

What did you expect a nation that had banned all international medias independent access to the war zones?

If anything it took em a bit longer to ban Al Jazeera cause they decided to go through the war monger cabinet. Might as well have saved this fake display of democracy and banned Al Jazeera on day one

 

[Halifax]

Do you think the deals offered to Arafat fully constitute statehood?

What does right to a state mean? Are there certain concessions you could make to the concept of statehood as compared to the one you presumably enjoy? Like, if your state didn't have Autonomy over its water, and had its territory fractured and divided by checkpoints, with its borders controlled by a neighbour, would you still consider it a state?

Maybe this isn't directly related to statehood, but is more cultural - but if members of your country had left, and wanted to come back, would you not consider that a part of legitimate statehood, to be able to enact this return?

I'm just wondering how you can be so strongly supportive of the idea of a Palestinian state, but also feel that Arafat is responsible for rejecting a generous offer. Maybe you have a more elastic concept of the word "state" than I do.

Arafat probably realized how good those offers were. But he was pretty frank in saying his own people will kill him if he goes the peaceful route

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

In my country, muslims play the victim role a lot.
Islamofobia, racism
But now Jews cant walk the streets here with a yamaka or they get beat up.
So they are the racists.

 

[Siver!]

Al Jazeera office raided as Israel takes channel off air

The network denies being a threat to security, and says Israel wants "to cover up its crimes".

www.bbc.co.uk

Israel's government has moved to shut down the operations of the Al Jazeera television network in the country, branding it a mouthpiece for Hamas.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the cabinet agreed to the closure while the war in Gaza is ongoing.
Police raided the Qatari broadcaster's office at the Ambassador hotel in Jerusalem on Sunday.
Al Jazeera called claims it was a threat to Israeli security a "dangerous and ridiculous lie".
The channel said it reserved the right to "pursue every legal step".
Israel's Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi said equipment had been taken in the raid.
A video posted by the minister on X shows police officers and inspectors from the ministry entering a hotel room.
A BBC team visited the scene, but was prevented from filming or going into the hotel by police.
According to Reuters news agency, the Israeli satellite service Yes displayed a message that read: "In accordance with the government decision, the Al Jazeera station's broadcasts have been stopped in Israel."
The blockage is effectively only partial, however, as the channel is still accessible through Facebook in Israel.
The shut down of Al Jazeera in Israel has been criticised by a number of human rights and press groups.
The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) said they had filed a request to the country's Supreme Court to issue an interim order to overturn the ban.
The group said that claims that the broadcaster was a propaganda tool for Hamas were "unfounded", and that Sunday's ban was less about security concerns and more to "serve a more politically motivated agenda, aimed at silencing critical voices and targeting Arab media".
The Foreign Press Association (FPA) urged the Israeli government to reconsider its decision, saying the shut down of Al Jazeera in the country should be "a cause for concern for all supporters of a free press".
The FPA said in a statement that Israel now joins "a dubious club of authoritarian governments to ban the station", and warned that Mr Netanyahu has the authority to target other foreign outlets that he considers to be "acting against the state".
The Committee to Protect Journalists' (CPJ) Program Director Carlos Martinez de la Serna echoed the same concerns, saying: "The Israeli cabinet must allow Al Jazeera and all international media outlets to operate freely in Israel, especially during wartime."
The UN's Human Rights office also called the Israeli government to reverse the ban, posting on X: "A free & independent media is essential to ensuring transparency & accountability. Now, even more so given tight restrictions on reporting from Gaza."
Foreign journalists are banned from entering Gaza, and Al Jazeera staff there have been some of the only reporters on the ground.
For years, Israeli officials have accused the network of anti-Israeli bias.
Their criticisms of the broadcaster have intensified since the 7 October Hamas attacks on southern Israel, in which about 1,200 people were killed and more than 250 were taken hostage. Some 128 of those hostages are still unaccounted for, with at least 34 presumed dead.
At least 34,683 Palestinians have been killed and 78,018 injured in Israel's subsequent military campaign in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.
Last month, the Israeli parliament passed a law giving the government power to temporarily close foreign broadcasters considered a threat to national security during the war against Hamas.
Qatar, where Al Jazeera is headquartered, is mediating talks between Israel and Hamas over the now almost seven-month-long conflict.
Previous negotiations mediated by Qatar led to a temporary ceasefire and the release of 105 Israeli hostages in November.
Al Jazeera has accused Israel of deliberately targeting its staff.
Journalists including Hamza al-Dahdouh, the son of Al Jazeera Gaza bureau chief Wael al-Dahdouh, have been killed by Israeli strikes. Israel denies targeting journalists.
"Israel's suppression of free press to cover up its crimes by killing and arresting journalists has not deterred us from performing our duty," the network said in its response to Sunday's ban.

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Wow.

Now attacking the free press.

What a time we're living through.