guiding the new generation of hobbyists and martial artists

[TheMaster]

Judo. Really nothing else needs to be said. Throwing, sweeping, break falling, ground basics, discipline.

Plus its tough to do all that rolling and falling when you are older.

What's the old saying
I've seen many videos of boxers and muay thai guys knocking out opponent after opponent in the streets, but I'm yet to see a video of a wrestler or BJJ guy grapple an entire gang into submission.

True, but striking can be learned later.

TKD probably has the most real world use,

WTF?

 

[Woldog]

There are a few videos of professional standup fighters beating the crap out of multiple untrained knuckleheads, but this is extremely rare in the real world and is only normalized in movies.

Spoiler

Even if you're a trained pro, a real killer, you should try to de-escalate or run away if you find yourself confronted by one opponent, let alone multiple attackers. Trying to fight a whole gang seems like a sure ticket to a soccer game with your head.

In a one on one fight, wrestling lets you choose where you want the fight to be.

For example, take DJ vs Rodtang. With no rules to stop takedowns, DJ pulled Rodtang into deep water where he couldn't swim. We've seen Khabib do the same thing to many talented strikers.



Finally, wrestling allows you to de-escalate a fight without striking someone. You can at least control a guy without actually hitting him, making you less likely to catch a charge than if you actually hit him outright.

The caveat for this is that you have to be better than your opponent at wrestling lol. Imagine getting into a street fight and you go in to wrassle someone and it turns out they are a former D-1 wrestler. If I were still an active fighter I'd welcome any wrestler within two weight classes of me to come and see how it goes for them.
But I'm not an active fighter anymore so pls don't come and see how it goes for you.

 

[Woldog]

WTF?

I guess you've never had a group of thugs armed with planks of wood attack you while holding them like this

 

[Slothbroth]

Ironically every wrestler I’ve ever known has a personality that seems to escalate confrontations into fights…

All the guys I knew were really respectful.

 

[Slothbroth]

The caveat for this is that you have to be better than your opponent at wrestling lol. Imagine getting into a street fight and you go in to wrassle someone and it turns out they are a former D-1 wrestler. If I were still an active fighter I'd welcome any wrestler within two weight classes of me to come and see how it goes for them.
But I'm not an active fighter anymore so pls don't come and see how it goes for you.

I think that's the caveat for everything, right? If someone is better than you, then...

 

[Woldog]

I think that's the caveat for everything, right? If someone is better than you, then...

And you think the best way to find out is by going to the ground with them? Wrestling would be one of the last things I'd recommend to learn for self defence. Going to the ground is the worst place to be in a street fight. Stay standing, maintain the ability to escape.

 

[Slothbroth]

And you think the best way to find out is by going to the ground with them? Wrestling would be one of the last things I'd recommend to learn for self defence. Going to the ground is the worst place to be in a street fight. Stay standing, maintain the ability to escape.

If you can't defend throws and take downs, escape won't be an option if a wrestler or judo guy gets their hands on you.

 

[panamaican]

For my son -- I started with karate kata. We worked through them without spending time on drills. I wanted the dynamic movements and overall athleticism. We also wrestled and watched BJJ videos, trying stuff for fun. I'm not trained in grappling arts but my brother is, so he'd train that stuff for fun with him.

At the young ages, it's really about developing overall athleticism and foundational principles of movement which they can translate into anything later in life. BJJ, wrestling, gymnastics are all good for getting them moving through planes of movement that they don't usually do standing. Any striking art will get them used to timing and distancing, etc.

I liked to spar with my son from he was like 3-4 years old. They can't hurt you so they can go full blast and develop a healthy aggression in these things.

But I will say BJJ from an early age is essential. I've seen my 8. y.o. nephew out-grapple my son and my son has a 30lb and 2 year age advantage. There's just no substitute for really knowing how to fight from the ground.

 

[Cole train]

Teach your kid to be a psycho and stab people, no need to learn all this martial arts shit

Serious answer

Introduce hobby options and let the kid decide, he/she will likely quit as a teen anyway so its not that serious

Also a lot of people should do security work to see what works in self defence and doesnt

 

[TheMaster]

For my son -- I started with karate kata. We worked through them without spending time on drills. I wanted the dynamic movements and overall athleticism. We also wrestled and watched BJJ videos, trying stuff for fun. I'm not trained in grappling arts but my brother is, so he'd train that stuff for fun with him.

At the young ages, it's really about developing overall athleticism and foundational principles of movement which they can translate into anything later in life. BJJ, wrestling, gymnastics are all good for getting them moving through planes of movement that they don't usually do standing. Any striking art will get them used to timing and distancing, etc.

I liked to spar with my son from he was like 3-4 years old. They can't hurt you so they can go full blast and develop a healthy aggression in these things.

But I will say BJJ from an early age is essential. I've seen my 8. y.o. nephew out-grapple my son and my son has a 30lb and 2 year age advantage. There's just no substitute for really knowing how to fight from the ground.

Judo is superior to BJJ.
Learning to throw and not be thrown as well as learning how to fall and the fundamentals of ground fighting is the best overall as a base. The nuances of ground game can easily be learned later as a specialist skill or one can transition to striking with a Judo base. Get rid of the mats and Judo is king.

 

[panamaican]

Also a lot of people should do security work to see what works in self defence and doesnt

Agreed. I used to train karate with a SWAT officer and someone else in that field. The modifications they made to our drills always stick with me.

 

[Cole train]

Agreed. I used to train karate with a SWAT officer and someone else in that field. The modifications they made to our drills always stick with me.

Lets just say first time i had a second guy running up to kick me while rolling on ground was eye opener or someone jumping me from behind

Not quite same as in gym lol