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[BenitoJayJay]

machida uses no karate. he uses boxing muay thai wrestling and bjj. that's it. royce used bjj. machida uses mma

[BenitoJayJay]

Originally Posted by The_Bear

But another question this brings into being is, "What constitutes a 'traditional' combat art from a 'nontraditional' combat art?". I mean Muay Thai and Freestyle Wrestling are both, in my opinion and interpretation of the context of the word 'traditional', traditional arts. Think about the extensive history of these arts in their respective birth places and the societies that trained in them. Even Judo can be said to be a "traditional" art because of the extensive use of techniques and forms from Kito-Ryu, and Tenjin-Shinyo-Ryu (two disciplines of Japanese Ju-Jitsu)

It seems the use of the word traditional implies fighting systems that have no effective training regiments or techniques in them. But that would be an incorrect use of the word traditional. I understand its a word used as a stepping stone to imply that tradition is of no use, but tradition by definition is a passing on of information, knowledge, and institutions but it does no imply that their is no evolution, adaption, or change within what is passed down.

Maybe the meaning is that a non-traditional art is one that was evolved in this century. well considering Sambo and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu were both formalized in this century, we can call them non-traditional arts. But what of boxing? Greatest boxers are said to be from this century? Even though Western pugilism has been practiced by multiple cultures and nations for hundreds of years; from Northern Africa, into the Middle East, and all the way to the British Isles. But do we say that is traditional or non traditional? Adn why? Because of the strides made this century (which boxing derived from Philipinno martial art. Yeah I didn't know that either until couple years ago) or because it isn't from Asia? Time or Geography? Or both?

wrestling and muay thai are way more traditionel then karate. they've existed much longer. period

[Nusaniwe]

Why don't you explain why you think he uses only bjj, wrestling and MT? no one even tries

[ohhhshizzzi]

I agree with the decision but does anybody else think that Machida wasn't in "title defense" shape?

[awid]

It continues!

[Rambamatic]

Originally Posted by BenitoJayJay

wrestling and muay thai are way more traditionel then karate. they've existed much longer. period

Sorry, but this is just not true.

Various forms of wrestling have existed in every culture since the beginning of any culture's existence. So have forms of hand to hand combat. Sure, you can go back to the ancient Greeks and Romans to find the roots of Western wrestling, but the "styles" practiced during that time were not the codified versions that we see today in the modern Folkstyle, Freestyle, and Greco-Roman disciplines. There is a bit of evidence to suggest that the Celtic and Germanic wrestling traditions are just as old. Conversely, you can go back during the same period of time to China and find forms of Wrestling that would not be techically coined as "chin-na" until much later....it doesn't mean that they didn't exist.

Similarly, you can look Karate the same way: the modern disciplines that exist now in everything from Kenpo to Goju ryu and Shotokan to Kyokushin are modern variants of ancient arts that may not have been technically coined "karate" or given the modern names until much more recently, but that doesn't mean that they were non-extant. Most of these arts, from Kung Fu to JuJitsu to Karate to the various forms of Wrestling PRE-DATE the historical record, and when we study history, we become aware of their existence at a certain point: The fact is that they were extant BEFORE the records identify them as such.

The simple fact of the matter is that historians and scholars cannot agree on these points, as the historical record and comparative cannon only provide so much information and go back only so far. The idiotic dick-wagging over which style is older or more "traditional" (which is a ridiculous statement in comparative terms) is, in itself, one that anyone who seriously studies the history of martial arts just laughs at as it demonstrates both an ignorance of history AND of martial traditions.

[nemisis_00]

Originally Posted by ohhhshizzzi

I agree with the decision but does anybody else think that Machida wasn't in "title defense" shape?

He went 5 rounds, the only reason i would think he started slowing down as the fight went on is because of getting kicked full force in the legs and body so many times. That would wear anyone down.

[Muay]

Haha, TS got faked out by the karate fad too it seems.