[TsukinoKage]

Originally Posted by Paulaoki

from what I know, if you're caught in the clinch don't ever step back but close the distance immediately and try to sneak on hand between your opponent's hands grabbing his neck, then slide the other in, now grab hands at the back of his neck, now it's your turn...
keep your elbows together if your putting someone in the clinch to avoid this counter, but if performed swiftly and strongly there's not much that can be done...

Performed strongly means that with two technically experienced fighters, unless there's a big weight or height disparity, the other fighter should not get stuck in the clinch.

[TitaniumChin]

if you are clinched by an experienced fighter like Wand, Shogun or anderson....good luck

ask franklin and Page how hard it is to get out.

more and more fighters are utilizing it now like houston even leben.

but soon fighters will be well versed in getting out of the clinch thus proving the evolution of mma.

regardless it is still very hard to get out of the clinch...

[Maddmardigan]

Originally Posted by Astroboy

wtf houston v jardine?? dirty boxing?? umm NO
it was just raw power, that is all, no dirty boxing no anything... just brawl and throw as hard and fast as you can while you can.

Can I get your definition of Dirty Boxing please?...

[TitaniumChin]

dirty boxing is couture vs belfort

[TsukinoKage]

Originally Posted by TitaniumChin

if you are clinched by an experienced fighter like Wand, Shogun or anderson....good luck

ask franklin and Page how hard it is to get out.

more and more fighters are utilizing it now like houston even leben.

but soon fighters will be well versed in getting out of the clinch thus proving the evolution of mma.

regardless it is still very hard to get out of the clinch...

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree. With Rampage's and Franklin's strength, only a cluelessness to clinch fundamentals would've led them to be doing destroyed like they were.
Leaning forward and trying to throw uppercuts while the opponent has control of your neck, and therefore your spine and posture is SUICIDE, but that's exactly what they did.

Did you see what happened when Shogun tried to clinch Griffin? It was either blocked or shrugged off, and Forrest isn't even a MT specialist.

[TitaniumChin]

wow if it's so easy why are so many destroyed by it....you showed one example and it was with a weathered shogun with little strength left....page has incredible raw power and he was defenceless not once, not twice but three times....
dont you think Franklin trained specifically to defend the clinch from anderson after the 1st fight....you bet he did and looked what happened...

until I see otherwise the clinch is one of the most destructive styles to beat opponents and is also extremely hard to defend against

[TsukinoKage]

Page was defenseless because he was trying to use dirty boxing that wasn't designed to defend against a Thai clinch. Did you not read the part where I said what he did was technical suicide? It's BASIC DEFENSE, yet it wasn't displayed in those fights.

As for the 2nd Silva fight, I remember that Anderson NEVER got the double plum on Franklin that bout. What he did though is land a couple of side knees from a single or side tie up, and own Rich with an array of precise kicks and punches.

My point standing: there are basic counters to the thai clinch, and those fighters didn't use them.

[Jewlz823]

If you know how to use it properly, you can basicly destroy soemone from a MT clinch, its even taught in our police academys now. you can do so much form it, knoees, elbows, strikes, takedowns, throws. the list goes on and on, i personally love it

[Heath McManus]

It is effective but Im suprised some people don't use it ore in MMA

[seekanddestroy8]

The Muay Thai clinch is brutal. If someone gets you in one who knows what he is doing, you are going down.