Cutman Tales.

[Centaur]

Good work Vidar!

I've been looking at getting into this myself and will be contacting the Astoria Boxing Club about help volunteering to help out with the fights they have there if I can learn some stuff from the cuts guys.

I have seen the Epi fr sale, but cannot find it. When I do I'll re-post here.

If you know anyone who works in Industrial First Aid or as a Paramedic you should be able to get some.

In the mean time, this might be worth checking out:


Blood STOP Hemostatic Gauze from Title MMA

[Centaur]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister

Vidar, I'm going to alter this thread a bit tomorrow because it's turned into such good information. I won't alter your opening post at all, just the Title of the thread, and will add some more information of my own.

You'll like it, a corner REALLY fucked up recently in a very high profile Boxing match and I'm going to do my best to explain how.

Gee, I wonder if I can guess which one THAT was.

I was watching it and even I, a Vet of a whole 3 fights (plus a few helping in the corner), have seen better work in the corner. That shit was shameful.

[churro]

Originally Posted by Vidar79

As far as I know these are not allowed in fights. Even the OTC nosebleed stuff was yanked from my bag. Better go online to make sure. To my knowledge all that is allowed is Adrenaline 1:1000, Avatene and Thrombin. In mma matches I think the need for Thrombin might not come into play. Dude....talk to a Ringside Doc and do your best to get it. One word AMAZING. If it's a chic Doc wear tight jeans to accentuate ye'ol bulge know what I mean?.

Oh this is for a regulated fight. Yeah...I don't think they are allowed either.

[Centaur]

This isn't the one I was referring to, but it's a start:
Buy Adrenaline Inj 1:1000 Online Now

Canada Orders:

Canadian Online Pharmacy by calling 1-877-888 -3562.

[Vidar79]

Originally Posted by Centaur

This isn't the one I was referring to, but it's a start:
Buy Adrenaline Inj 1:1000 Online Now

Canada Orders:

Epic Win!! You are now officially the man. Don't let it go to your head

[Centaur]

You are now officially the man.

You'd be surprise how often I hear this. Mainly cause it rhymes with my name.

Seriously though, I've never ordered from there so I have no idea if/when/how long etc. it'll take to get it.

There is another place and I remember it being legit, but I saved it to my old comp. When I remember I'll definitely post it.

[Sinister]

I was watching it and even I, a Vet of a whole 3 fights (plus a few helping in the corner), have seen better work in the corner. That shit was shameful.

If you guessed Jones Jr./Calzaghe, you win the prize. Alright budding cutmen, here goes:

During the Joe Calzaghe/Roy Jones Jr. Fight this past weekend. Roy suffered a horrific cut:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/20...es-defends.jpg

However, almost as gruesome as the cut itself, was Jones' corner in handling the situation. First things first, with all due respect to Alton Merkerson, he's always been regarded as a trainer of Amateurs. I'd always given him the benefit of the doubt, until this Fight when he told HBO's Max Kellerman that Roy had never been cut in a Fight. Why would you admit your own inexperience, simply due to Roy never having been cut? Merkerson basically revealed that he's not used to his Fighters being cut, and most of us know the primary function of headgear in training and Amateur Competition, is cut prevention.

Merkerson kept telling the physician who was employed as the cut man "let me get some pressure on that Doc" when the coagulant was being applied. The precious seconds it took them to change hands alleviated pressure on the cut and depth of the coagulant. Furthermore, the Doctor was on Jones' right side. Notice what side the cut is on? Every time he had to tend to the cut himself, Roy had to turn his head and crane his neck. Also, Roy kept asking for water on his head and they kept dumping the water on his head. After about the third time they did this I saw with my own two eyes that they were rinsing the cut of the coagulant. Lastly, they seemed to also be experimenting with the various coagulants, as opposed to fixing these minor problems.

Whereas if any of you caught the bloodbath between Michael Katsidis and Czar Amonsot, Katisidis suffered multiple facial monstrosities:

http://images.badlefthook.com/images...isamonsot2.jpg

Katsidis' Australian team hired one of the best cutmen in Boxing in Joe Souza who is a virtual miracle worker with cuts. He was also kept out of position until it seemed Katsidis' team realized what they had in Joe and the trainer promptly switched places, allowing Joe to go to work. It seemed before then the Australian team wasn't familiar with how good Joe really was. Whereas Roy had to ask his own corner "is the eye closed?"...Joe kept the bloodflow stemmed for the most part, and Katsidis patched up enough to win the Fight decisively, and subsequently end the career of Amonsot who suffered two subdural hematomas as a result of Katsidis' punches. Here's a HL clip where you can see Joe working on the cuts a bit:

YouTube - Amonsot destroying Katsidis - HL

[Centaur]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sinister

If you guessed Jones Jr./Calzaghe, you win the prize. Alright budding cutmen, here goes:

Sweet, I like prizes.

During the Joe Calzaghe/Roy Jones Jr. Fight this past weekend. Roy suffered a horrific cut:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/20...es-defends.jpg

However, almost as gruesome as the cut itself, was Jones' corner in handling the situation. First things first, with all due respect to Alton Merkerson, he's always been regarded as a trainer of Amateurs. I'd always given him the benefit of the doubt, until this Fight when he told HBO's Max Kellerman that Roy had never been cut in a Fight. Why would you admit your own inexperience, simply due to Roy never having been cut? Merkerson basically revealed that he's not used to his Fighters being cut, and most of us know the primary function of headgear in training and Amateur Competition, is cut prevention. Exactly.


Merkerson kept telling the physician who was employed as the cut man "let me get some pressure on that Doc" when the coagulant was being applied. The precious seconds it took them to change hands alleviated pressure on the cut and depth of the coagulant. Furthermore, the Doctor was on Jones' right side. Notice what side the cut is on? Yep! Every time he had to tend to the cut himself, Roy had to turn his head and crane his neck. Also, Roy kept asking for water on his head and they kept dumping the water on his head. After about the third time they did this I saw with my own two eyes that they were rinsing the cut of the coagulant. I saw this too, and that's hen I realized Roy was in REAL trouble. Lastly, they seemed to also be experimenting with the various coagulants, as opposed to fixing these minor problems. This I did not notice. Thanks for pointing that out.

Whereas if any of you caught the bloodbath between Michael Katsidis and Czar Amonsot, Katisidis suffered multiple facial monstrosities:

http://images.badlefthook.com/images...isamonsot2.jpg

Katsidis' Australian team hired one of the best cutmen in Boxing in Joe Souza who is a virtual miracle worker with cuts. He was also kept out of position until it seemed Katsidis' team realized what they had in Joe and the trainer promptly switched places, allowing Joe to go to work. It seemed before then the Australian team wasn't familiar with how good Joe really was. Whereas Roy had to ask his own corner "is the eye closed?"...Joe kept the bloodflow stemmed for the most part, and Katsidis patched up enough to win the Fight decisively, and subsequently end the career of Amonsot who suffered two subdural hematomas as a result of Katsidis' punches. Here's a HL clip where you can see Joe working on the cuts a bit:

YouTube - Amonsot destroying Katsidis - HL

Thanks for the link. For those who are looking for the Corner/Cut Work:
2:30
5:50
8:30

KK/Mr.S:

Are you familiar at all with the hemostatic gauze I posted earlier? If you get a chance ask around (you too, Martin) and let me know what the trainers think of it. It's newer, but it;s been around long enough that people may know it. At least the guys you dudes know.

Blood STOP Hemostatic Gauze from Title MMA

[Sinister]

My guess is Rafael Garcia will hate it. lol You know how the old schoolers are. If I see Miguel Diaz, the other very renowned cutman I see relatively routinely, I'll ask him. I'll have to purchase some to show them in-person though, because it's very difficult to explain things like this in Spanish, to old Hispanic men.

And about the Doctor in Roy's corner, Max asked him what coagulants he was using because Manny Steward was making a big deal out of it, he thought they weren't using any. Turns out the Doctor was using all 3 mentioned in this thread that are approved for competition. Why all 3? Why not just get on the right flippin' side, keep the pressure consistent, not rinse it out with water, and make sure it's getting deep enough?

Roy bled for what 6 straight rounds? Unnecessary.

[Centaur]

Oh, ok. I do remember that part (with Kellerman and the Doc). I guess I just didn't hear the names he said.

I guess that might be the difference between a Cutman, and a Doc. Cutmen do cuts.