[Ultrashogun]

This thread along with the one with all the Americans who would like Putin as their president really makes me sad for America.

[niloroth]

Originally Posted by Kogan

The same can be said about evolution. If evidence points Evolutionary theory in a different direction, as a science it must reconsider that portion while still holding to the tenets of the theory. And that is fine. It's science.

Yes, that is what science in. Hypothesis, test, review test results, create theory, test more.

ID should reconsider portions if necessary, while still holding true to the tenets of the theory as well.

There is no theory. They have a hypothesis at most, a lie at least. It's tenet is "god did the stuff we can't explain, until we can explain it, then god did other stuff.

I say if ID theory is fallable let students study it and find it's faults. If evolutionary theory is fallable let students study it and find it's faults as well.

ID has been falsified time and time again, evolution has stood for 150 years. How about we teach the one that is real?

The science behind ID is new, where people once accepted beliefs in God, gods, or Aliens on pure faith, they are finally begining to take deeper looks into evidence of a "creator(s)". Let them study, let them try to establish substance. People have been studying Evolution since Darwin and have way more support in the school systems to provide evidence.

Let the ID people publish. How about that. Going on 10 years, and still not one single pro ID study? Sorry, science is not a medium for theories that need a leg up. It is not a polite field of research. You either put up or shut up. For 10 years, ID has FAILED, and they still whine about needing to be included with evolution in the classroom. Sorry, but they don't deserve anything till they can show they have valid ideas.

I'm just saying that we encourage people to study various fields of thought and not bash them for differing views. Do not believe blindly whether it's ID or Evolution, study both, and become a wiser person from it.

Will you say the same about phrenology, astrology, homeopathy, and crystal healing? All of those are just as 'valid' as ID. And have just as much 'evidence' to back them up.

I have studied both, and one is BS, while the other is supported by more evidence than any one person could ever read in a lifetime.

[niloroth]

Originally Posted by freeflow64

how creationism any dumber than evolution?

yes, "how creationism any dumber than evolution?" indeed.

[Kogan]

Originally Posted by Mr.Pickles

Oh shut up! You wouldn’t teach the holocaust and holocaust denial in a classroom and let the children sort it out and you shouldn’t do that for ID either. ID apologists want to skip through the peer review process and use politics to get it into the classroom.

You can teach that some people don't believe in the holocaust to students and demostrate how stupid they are because we have eye witness accounts. There are people who lived through it that documented it and have spoken about it.

No one knows what happened in the begining, we all might be way off. These two things are in no way comparable. One is history, while the other is pre-history.

The people behind the ID theory are going about it wrong I'll give you that, but it's a very biased field with evolutionary theory cutting off any opposing arguements.

[Marjoe]

Originally Posted by Kogan

t's a very biased field with evolutionary theory cutting off any opposing arguements.

DAMN PEER REVIEW PROCESS AND SCIENTIFIC RIGOR!

[Ultrashogun]

Originally Posted by Kogan

The people behind the ID theory are going about it wrong I'll give you that, but it's a very biased field with evolutionary theory cutting off any opposing arguements.

Bullshit, there is actually lots of controversy within the field.

Developmental Biology 8e Online: Getting beyond the population genetics/developmental biology split: A New Evolutionary Synthesis

This gives you an overview.

[Parasite]

thank you niloroth, you typed just about everything that I was about to. I also think most people forget what the word 'theory' means in a scientific context

Kogan so what are your seven 'tenets' (do you mean tenants?) of science? strange I have never heard of them before... and ID is NOT a theory, there is no way to test it, which is why there is no scientific research looking at it.

[SmileyPSU]

Originally Posted by AmericaOverAll

India better get some new rocket scientists too:


The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Nation | God save Indian science
Indian scientists secular, but firm believers in god-survey, Science News - By Indiaedunews.net

Who cares if Indian engineers have that type of religious belief? There's no way their religious beliefs will compel professors in India to teach their students how to incorrectly build a rocket. The problem with creationist biology teachers is that they are responsible for teaching a science to the children of this country, and there's a danger that their religious beliefs will tempt them to teach a bullshit psuedoscience to our youth.

[Zerochild]

YouTube - Penn and Teller Bullshit - Creationism 1/3
YouTube - Penn and Teller Bullshit - Creationism 2/3
YouTube - Penn and Teller Bullshit - Creationism 3/3

[Ultimo Hombre]

12%?,

Christians probably think this is a majority...