[niloroth]

Originally Posted by Typhus

"This is the most eerie thing. I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop."

"I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. There was just nothing visible. It was the strangest feeling."

"[The crater looked] like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it."

He told author David McCall: "I got to the actual crash site and could not believe what I saw. ... Usually you see much debris, wreckage, and much noise and commotion. This crash was different. There was no wreckage, no bodies, and no noise. ... It appeared as though there were no passengers or crew on this plane." (David McCall, From Tragedy to Triumph, 2002, pp. 86-87)

The quotations in question 6 correspond to comments made by Somerset county coroner, Wallace Miller, about the remains of any of passengers from the plane and about what the crater looked like.

He told CNN: "It was a really a very unusual site. You almost would've thought the passengers had been dropped off somewhere. ... Even by the standard model of an airplane crash, there was very little, even by those standards." (CNN, 3/11/2002)

"Miller was familiar with scenes of sudden and violent death, although none quite like this. Walking in his gumboots, the only recognisable body part he saw was a piece of spinal cord, with five vertebrae attached. 'I've seen a lot of highway fatalities where there's fragmentation,' Miller said. 'The interesting thing about this particular case is that I haven't, to this day, 11 months later, seen any single drop of blood. Not a drop. The only thing I can deduce is that the crash was over in half a second. There was a fireball 15-20 metres high, so all of that material just got vaporised.'"

Okay, so you are saying that Miller is a credible witness then? So then all these quotes are what?

“Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller said the remains are expected to be so minute that radiology and DNA testing may be the only means of positively identifying the victims.” - Associated Press (September 12, 2001)

“We’ve been going through this area inch by inch. The remains are beginning to come,” said Somerset County coroner Wallace Miller. “It will be quite some time until we can identify whoever a person might be.” - Associated Press (September 13, 2001)

“Dennis Dirkmaat, a forensic pathologist from Mercyhurst College in Erie, Pa., said the remains had suffered “extreme fragmentation” and most would have to be identified through DNA analysis. He said experts also would use dental records, X-rays, and fingerprints and footprints.” - Washington Post (September 14, 2001)

“It would be nearly an hour before Miller came upon his first trace of a body part…some fragment of each of the dead had been positively identified, either by DNA or, in a few cases, fingerprints.” - Washington Post (May 12, 2002)

[niloroth]

Originally Posted by Typhus

Tim Matheson Blog - Productive Tips and More Pentagon 911 video released

This one? Wow what convincing evidence.

This one?

Pentagon Research

The citgo video?

Screw Loose Change: Breaking News--Pentagon Citgo Video Released!

Good god, well i'm convinced

None of those show anything. So what? The end result is that there is no good video evidence for what hit the pentagon. There never was, there never will be. That leaves eyewitnesses as the best evidence for what happened. Would you care to explain the 100+ eyewitness accounts that a plane did the damage at the pentagon, or are you just going to cherry pick and misquote people like you did with the human remains of flight 93?

[PECK CHOKE]

Originally Posted by niloroth

Okay, so you are saying that Miller is a credible witness then? So then all these quotes are what?

“Somerset County Coroner Wallace Miller said the remains are expected to be so minute that radiology and DNA testing may be the only means of positively identifying the victims.” - Associated Press (September 12, 2001)

“We’ve been going through this area inch by inch. The remains are beginning to come,” said Somerset County coroner Wallace Miller. “It will be quite some time until we can identify whoever a person might be.” - Associated Press (September 13, 2001)

“Dennis Dirkmaat, a forensic pathologist from Mercyhurst College in Erie, Pa., said the remains had suffered “extreme fragmentation” and most would have to be identified through DNA analysis. He said experts also would use dental records, X-rays, and fingerprints and footprints.” - Washington Post (September 14, 2001)

“It would be nearly an hour before Miller came upon his first trace of a body part…some fragment of each of the dead had been positively identified, either by DNA or, in a few cases, fingerprints.” - Washington Post (May 12, 2002)

Only witnesses that say things that lean towards the conspiracy theorist beliefs are valid, all other witness were hired by the government to provide false statements, In the case where the same person is used, all other testimony that disproves the conspiracy must be over looked, and the subject must be changed and another source must be looked at instead of addressing these obvious contradictions.

The funny part is most of the sources these conspiracy theorists use don't even support the facts they claim, I have even seen video's that they have posted that actually disprove their whole shitty conspiracy, and these tards use it as the whole basis of their argument.

[Muhannad Barazi]

Originally Posted by Xenu

What if this is all true? What is the best course of action? I'm just one man, what difference can I make? Should I spam internet message boards with this information? Is that the best way to deal with it?

What a way to stay clear of any responsibilities in this world. It's your world but others are just here to shit on it so don't bother lifting a finger.

[corwin137]

[corwin137]

Pinche double post. Phail.

[mt006]

The #1 fact that anyone can eyewitness is the destruction of the towers themselves.

They fall flat like demolished buildings...

Surely an uncontrolled collapsed based around a warping of the structure due to the ferocity of a burning plane woudnt go straight down.

I remember when reading up on these theories a quote from an expert in these matters who said that the destruction was not consistent with plane damage. This was later changed to the standard press release of the US Government.

The #2 fact is that the Towers were recently insured for mega amounts against Terrorist attack. Not unusal however another report I read (sorry no source here as this was a while ago) stated the the Twin Towers were not compliant with new building legislation and would have had to be pulled down anyway within a few years.

IMO opinion the Twin Towers could possibly be the biggest propaganda coup of all time (assuming the Moon Landings happened ;))

Can anybody tell me how much has been spent on US defence (Tanks, bullets etc) since 9/11?

Spent through companies in which the ruling leaders have a high financial interest?

Before someone tries to ban me I am in no way trying to insult the lives of firecrews who went into the buildings to try and get people out. They deserve all the plaudits they have gotten.

[oldshadow]

Man all these educated people and they can’t think for themselves?
I know I’m just a blue collar guy but I have worked with steel all my life.
I have heated and worked steel, it will fold and collapse just like the WTC buildings under heat and pressure. I have seen it myself in ships damaged by fire.
As far as comparing the wreckage of other plane crashes and flight 93. I would say the other pilots were trying to maintain as much of a glide path as possible to minimize damage and increase survivability.
The”pilot” of flight 93 used it a lawn dart while yelling Allāhu Akbar.

[Cooking With Dom Deluise]

Originally Posted by niloroth

your post would be 100% true, if it wasn't for the fact that it is wrong.

I can think of 3 steel buildings that have collapsed due to fire, and none of them have 'WTC' in their names anywhere.

Exploding jet fuel is a little bit different than fire also, or so I'd like to think.

[niloroth]

Originally Posted by mt006

The #1 fact that anyone can eyewitness is the destruction of the towers themselves.

They fall flat like demolished buildings...

Surely an uncontrolled collapsed based around a warping of the structure due to the ferocity of a burning plane woudnt go straight down.

You mean that they should have toppled over? How would a building that is failing at the top fall over? You would expect that in such a case, the part of the building above the damage would start to topple over until it finally exerted more force on an area below it than that area could support, and then the entire structure would begin to collapse from the damage point down. And in fact that is exactly what happened.

I remember when reading up on these theories a quote from an expert in these matters who said that the destruction was not consistent with plane damage. This was later changed to the standard press release of the US Government.

A great many things were said in the hours and days following the attack. 9/11 deniers like to just focus on things said in the first confusing times of the attacks on 9/11. However, as people learned more about what happened, it became clear what brought the towers down. As such it is not surprising that peoples opinions change.

[QUOTE[The #2 fact is that the Towers were recently insured for mega amounts against Terrorist attack. Not unusal however another report I read (sorry no source here as this was a while ago) stated the the Twin Towers were not compliant with new building legislation and would have had to be pulled down anyway within a few years.[/quote]

Um, actually, i wouldn't find it outside the ordinary at all that there was insurance on the towers. Remember that they had been the target of an attack before. As for the issue of their being out of compliance, i have never heard anything to support or debunk that claim. However, there was no way that they were going to have to be taken down any time soon.

Losing money at the WTC?