[niloroth]

Originally Posted by Typhus

Also, oh slayer of "911 truth idiots" if you could explain to me why there were no bodies found at the crash sight in shankesville? No engine?

Okay, lets just take even one of your issues. Where are your sources for this? Where is your evidence that no bodies were found at the crash site? Do you have any actual real world facts to back up that claim? Or is it all just misquotes and lies from poor quality youtube videos?

I can link to multiple sources about the recovery and identification of the people who were on flight 93. I highly doubt you can come up with even one source that says there were not bodies recovered.

We could go through this for everything you have posted, but lets just try this one first.

[niloroth]

Originally Posted by HuFlungPu

Not quite.. Let's see the video.. Oh wait, the govt won't release it

Uh, what?

What videos are you talking about? You mean the ones from the Citgo station what was released in september 2006? Or maybe the Doubletree video, that was released in December 2006?

What are you, about 1 1/2 years behind right now? About average for a 9/11 denier. Never up to date on anything that could undermine their idiotic fairy tales.

[Shogun87]

I think conspiracy theorists look to much into the actual plane crashes and the buildings. I mean, I still don't understand why building 7 fell but by saying that I'm not gonna convince anyone. If people just stand in NYC and yell about fake planes and missles or w/e they think happened, no one will belive them.

I do however think there was a conspiracy. If you just look at the finaces of the people who gained due to 9/11 you will often find they are connected to powerful political figures or even are powerful political figures.

Thats the depth of the conspiracy theory. Its the money, just look where it went.

[Shogun87]

Originally Posted by niloroth

Okay, lets just take even one of your issues. Where are your sources for this? Where is your evidence that no bodies were found at the crash site? Do you have any actual real world facts to back up that claim? Or is it all just misquotes and lies from poor quality youtube videos?

I can link to multiple sources about the recovery and identification of the people who were on flight 93. I highly doubt you can come up with even one source that says there were not bodies recovered.

We could go through this for everything you have posted, but lets just try this one first.

My professor played a 9/11 conspriacy video on one of the last days of classes and it was pretty much a video in favor of the offical reports but I think it also said no bodies were found. I think they said it was due to crashing straight downward into land. So you add that plus fire and earth and explosion and I guess that could explain why there are no bodies.

I don't believe anything 100% on tv, especially the big news stations. I prefer BBC news or other outside news people.

[Typhus]

Originally Posted by niloroth

Okay, lets just take even one of your issues. Where are your sources for this? Where is your evidence that no bodies were found at the crash site? Do you have any actual real world facts to back up that claim? Or is it all just misquotes and lies from poor quality youtube videos?

I can link to multiple sources about the recovery and identification of the people who were on flight 93. I highly doubt you can come up with even one source that says there were not bodies recovered.

We could go through this for everything you have posted, but lets just try this one first.

"This is the most eerie thing. I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop."

"I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. There was just nothing visible. It was the strangest feeling."

"[The crater looked] like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it."

He told author David McCall: "I got to the actual crash site and could not believe what I saw. ... Usually you see much debris, wreckage, and much noise and commotion. This crash was different. There was no wreckage, no bodies, and no noise. ... It appeared as though there were no passengers or crew on this plane." (David McCall, From Tragedy to Triumph, 2002, pp. 86-87)

The quotations in question 6 correspond to comments made by Somerset county coroner, Wallace Miller, about the remains of any of passengers from the plane and about what the crater looked like.

He told CNN: "It was a really a very unusual site. You almost would've thought the passengers had been dropped off somewhere. ... Even by the standard model of an airplane crash, there was very little, even by those standards." (CNN, 3/11/2002)

"Miller was familiar with scenes of sudden and violent death, although none quite like this. Walking in his gumboots, the only recognisable body part he saw was a piece of spinal cord, with five vertebrae attached. 'I've seen a lot of highway fatalities where there's fragmentation,' Miller said. 'The interesting thing about this particular case is that I haven't, to this day, 11 months later, seen any single drop of blood. Not a drop. The only thing I can deduce is that the crash was over in half a second. There was a fireball 15-20 metres high, so all of that material just got vaporised.'"

So many questions, so few answers. No, they hadn't made any positive identifications yet. No, they didn't know how long it would take. No, it couldn't go faster because the FBI investigation had to take priority. No, they didn't know if and when any personal possessions might be recovered. No, the FBI would not let them release anything to the families yet. And no, they could not tell for sure what happened onboard UAL 93.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...56110-2002May8
Newsmaker: Coroner's quiet unflappability helps him take charge of Somerset tragedy
CNN.com - Transcripts
Flight 93 - Somerset coroner witness 9/11
The day that changed America - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Shoestring911: The Many Misquotes of Wallace Miller


One question, "is what happened to the physical wreckage of the plane?"

"There was no plane," Ernie Stull, mayor of Shanksville, told German television in March 2003:

"My sister and a good friend of mine were the first ones there," Stull said. "They were standing on a street corner in Shanksville talking. Their car was nearby, so they were the first here -- and the fire department came. Everyone was puzzled, because the call had been that a plane had crashed. But there was no plane."

"They had been sent here because of a crash, but there was no plane?" the reporter asked.

"No. Nothing. Only this hole."

When AFP asked Stull about his comments, he disagreed about when he had gone to the crash site. "A day or two later," Stull said, was about when he went to the site. But he reiterated the fact that they saw little evidence of a plane crash.

Nena Lensbouer, who had prepared lunch for the workers at the scrap yard overlooking the crash site, was the first person to go up to the smoking crater.

Lensbouer told AFP that the hole was five to six feet deep and smaller than the 24-foot trailer in her front yard. She described hearing "an explosion, like an atomic bomb" -- not a crash.

9-11 Review: ERROR: 'Flight 93 Didn't Crash in Shanksville, PA'
9-11 Mysteries
Flight 93 Crash- 9-11 Review

[Typhus]

Originally Posted by niloroth

Uh, what?

What videos are you talking about? You mean the ones from the Citgo station what was released in september 2006? Or maybe the Doubletree video, that was released in December 2006?

Tim Matheson Blog - Productive Tips and More Pentagon 911 video released

This one? Wow what convincing evidence.

This one?

Pentagon Research

The citgo video?

Screw Loose Change: Breaking News--Pentagon Citgo Video Released!

Good god, well i'm convinced

[Ezra Pound]

Originally Posted by 7wtc911

"Our purpose was to document the event"

These Guys??

yes those guys.

[Ezra Pound]

Originally Posted by jb41339

What's the deal with the "dancing Arabs" in post #13? During the time of 9/11, I remember hearing about Middle Easterners dancing in the streets, but I never saw footage of this on television. Now everything I find about it says they were Mossad agents watching the towers fall. Sounds kind of fishy.

yes there were reports of that, but there is also a lot of ignored documentation of our friends in the ME, search for zoomcopter, urban moving systems, Israeli Spy Ring 9/11, 200 Israeli spys set free, Carl Cameron AMdocs, plenty of videos and articles. I prefer you search for yourself rather then me being accused of bias by giving you links. If you want me to give some links, I have plenty though just ask, k?

[Ezra Pound]

Originally Posted by jb41339

What's the deal with the "dancing Arabs" in post #13? During the time of 9/11, I remember hearing about Middle Easterners dancing in the streets, but I never saw footage of this on television. Now everything I find about it says they were Mossad agents watching the towers fall. Sounds kind of fishy.

Not only that but Michael Chertoff, dual citizen who's mother was an early Mossad agent, set them all free no questions asked and the gov't official story is We can not comment on that.

WAR ALLIES!!!!

[Typhus]

Originally Posted by DuMaX

Because we all know that the FBI page is a legal document, right? Because if it is on the internet is must be true, right?

When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on the FBI's web page, Rex Tomb, the FBI's Chief of Investigative Publicity, is reported to have said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11."

"On September 20, 2001," according to the Guardian, "the Taliban offered to hand Osama bin Laden to a neutral Islamic country for trial if the US presented them with evidence that he was responsible for the attacks on New York and Washington. The US rejected the offer."

On September 23, 2001 the BBC reported that four of the hijack "suspects" - Waleed Al Shehri, Abdulaziz Al Omari, Saeed Alghamdi, and possibly Khalid Al Midhar - were alive, and that FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged "the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt."

Bin Laden, in a September 28, 2001 interview with the Pakistani newspaper Ummat, is reported to have said: "I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States."

Skeptics dismiss the video tape "found in a house in Jalalabad", Afghanistan, which allegedly shows Bin Laden confessing to the September 11 attacks. In a December 20, 2001, broadcast by German TV channel Das Erste "two independent translators and an expert on oriental studies found the White House's translation not only to be inaccurate, but manipulative."

FBI says, it has “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”
Bin Laden, Most Wanted For Embassy Bombings?
Bin Laden Not Wanted for 9/11!
FBI: Bin Laden Not Wanted 'Dead or Alive' for 9/11?
Osama bin Laden, among the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted Fugitives": Why was he never indicted for his alleged role in 9/11?
FBI: Bin Laden Not Wanted for 911
Osama bin Laden Not Wanted for 9/11 Attacks | post-9/11 | evidence | truther.org

I can go on and on