[EsercitoBlu]

Originally Posted by Titan416

It's alot different when all you have in your entire life to look forward to is a football game. When you have been watching and supporting the teams longer then anyone who is even involved with the club. A lot of the guys from the firms are very poor, and have absolutly nothing in there lives to take pride in except their football club. It's a way of life. Much like how America ghetto's are filled with poor immigrants who sell drugs and murder people for no reason. It's just a way of life.

I dont know where you got your information from but you couldnt be further from the truth!

Many firm members had extremely well paid jobs and a lot of hooligans could be indentified by their designer labels.The punch ups were extremely well planned in many cases (to avoid the old bill) and when travelling abroad they would actually enter through seperate countries to remain undetected. The notion that hooligans are just poor working class is utter shit!

[EsercitoBlu]

Originally Posted by kakashi

In 1998, at world cup in Marseille, English hooligans got their ass handed to them by the local chavs. They were running for their lives like rabbits, it was all over the news, it was hilarious.

Coming from someone who obviously wasnt there! Ask the locals/police in marseille and they may tell you a different story!

The only incident i was aware of was when 50 or so supporters ended up in the wrong part of marseille and had half of North Africa running at them all tooled up!

[darthcrab]

yeah, we didnt get in any trouble at france 98, for years the police was taking names of known firm members and took their passports off them so they had no chance of going.
and the guy that said they are poor people with nothing to live for, these guys were buisness men, managers, shop owners... and the one thing that stood them out was the designer clothes they wore as said above, not replica shirts like the rest of the fans..
no one has done football violence like the english, but I dont expect them too.
you read about russia and poland and how bad it looks, but that is nothing compared to how English football was in the 70`s and 80`s, which is a good thing, but the problem with English fans now is, when we do go to Europe for games, people always remember what we use to be like, and something always kicks off, and the English are almost totaly outnumbered due to we dont have firms going there anymore and dont go looking for trouble, where they are waiting for us in huge numbers..
here is the best eg of how bad it was here... no other country has had a league banned from gaining entry to the uefa cup or european cup because of supporters. we had all clubs banned for a few years because everywhere liverpool went, they fucked everything up, and they even killed a load of supporters at a european cup final I think by rushing a stand and making it collapse.
they was fucked up times, and im glad we dont have shit like that anymore, and all these other countries and brag about what they like, good, you think what you want, but at least I can go to a game here and feel safe, and id even go to russia to watch a game and I know what ever they do, it will never be as bad as what it was like here...

[MaureenCretis]

Originally Posted by JordanLUFC

No. You're being ridiculous

Not strictly true - I saw a whole load of punch-ups around the O2 as I was leaving after UFC75. Whether or not that constitutes Hooliganism is another matter, but you're kidding yourself if you think that people who liked and like fighting on terraces, in pub car parks, motorway service stations etc. aren't cultivating an interest in MMA.

[MaureenCretis]

And, FWIW, football-related violence was and is very very shit.

[JordanLUFC]

Originally Posted by MaureenCretis

Not strictly true - I saw a whole load of punch-ups around the O2 as I was leaving after UFC75. Whether or not that constitutes Hooliganism is another matter, but you're kidding yourself if you think that people who liked and like fighting on terraces, in pub car parks, motorway service stations etc. aren't cultivating an interest in MMA.

Which is completely beside the point I was refuting, but whatever

[MaureenCretis]

Originally Posted by JordanLUFC

Which is completely beside the point I was refuting, but whatever

re-read your post - apologies for missing the point.

Dunno about any ex-hoolies transitioning to MMA, but you'd imagine there's a few fighters with "colourful" backgrounds.

[millasur]

It depends on where you are, whoever said it's more serious in Europe is correct (compared to the UK). But the ideas of it all grew from the UK terraces back in the day.

As for seriousness / football bringing the violence etc. These people will fight because they like fighting - yes they 'love' a club, but at the end of the day they'd fight because they want to, not because someone supports a different team. There are many instances even in Football factories int where supporters go to fight and end up missing hte game. They obviously support hte team 'loads and loads' if they don't even care abotu watching the fuckin match.

[millasur]

Originally Posted by darthcrab

yeah, we didnt get in any trouble at france 98, for years the police was taking names of known firm members and took their passports off them so they had no chance of going.
and the guy that said they are poor people with nothing to live for, these guys were buisness men, managers, shop owners... and the one thing that stood them out was the designer clothes they wore as said above, not replica shirts like the rest of the fans..
no one has done football violence like the english, but I dont expect them too.
you read about russia and poland and how bad it looks, but that is nothing compared to how English football was in the 70`s and 80`s, which is a good thing, but the problem with English fans now is, when we do go to Europe for games, people always remember what we use to be like, and something always kicks off, and the English are almost totaly outnumbered due to we dont have firms going there anymore and dont go looking for trouble, where they are waiting for us in huge numbers..
here is the best eg of how bad it was here... no other country has had a league banned from gaining entry to the uefa cup or european cup because of supporters. we had all clubs banned for a few years because everywhere liverpool went, they fucked everything up, and they even killed a load of supporters at a european cup final I think by rushing a stand and making it collapse.
they was fucked up times, and im glad we dont have shit like that anymore, and all these other countries and brag about what they like, good, you think what you want, but at least I can go to a game here and feel safe, and id even go to russia to watch a game and I know what ever they do, it will never be as bad as what it was like here...

Purely QFT as you guys say around here.