[Benji Snap]

Originally Posted by Kyryllo

Unless you can provide a better study for that matter the point stays. And no, TV viewer ratings are not best indicators for interest in sports and even if it were how do you think these numbers are gathered? That's right in phone surveys and with cohort studies using diaries or electronic equipment of just a few thousands people.

your location is Germany...? Did you ever live in Australia otherwise I dont think u know how ridiculous u sound when u say that soccer is more popular than RL and that RL is only 4% ahead of union.

TV ratings atleast take into account the entire country and not just capital cities. Almost half the population of NSW and QLD live outside metropolitan areas. TV ratings are more reflective of true interest. For eg. I would be a fan of swimming according to the survey even though I might only watch a swimming race every 4 years at the olympics.

NRL grand final 3.7 million viewers and the #1 most watched program in the entire country for the year.

Soccer A-league grand final 0.11 million viewers and 30K crowd.

[Kyryllo]

your location is Germany...? Did you ever live in Australia otherwise I dont think u know how ridiculous u sound when u say that soccer is more popular than RL and that RL is only 4% ahead of union.

TV ratings atleast take into account the entire country and not just capital cities. Almost half the population of NSW and QLD live outside metropolitan areas. TV ratings are more reflective of true interest. For eg. I would be a fan of swimming according to the survey even though I might only watch a swimming race every 4 years at the olympics.

NRL grand final 3.7 million viewers and the #1 most watched program in the entire country for the year.

Soccer A-league grand final 0.11 million viewers and 30K crowd.

I lived in Queensland for over a year, going for study to Melbourne in july. I study sport science/media communication and preparing my diploma thesis about development of of the australian media market around League and Union in Australia, I know a whole lot of shit about australian sport and media and especially about the history of league and union.
Yes the NRL Grand final had the highest ratings last year if anybody gives something about these, but prior years it was always mid or lower top 10 behind Australian open finals (sometimes semis) and the AFL final. The "interest" combines from participation, live audience, television audience and print or internet media reception. And here's why the tv rating does not say very much, AFL and NRL grand finals, A-Open finals are live events in australia, local live events get better coverage and create more audience. Now with soccer, soccer in australia is at a low level so it doesn't create much audience, the soccer that creates audience in australia is from the big leagues in europe and the european champions league. If soccer creates an audience in australia it does not have to be necessarily australian soccer. Since games in europe cannot create a local event they will not appear on the ratings lists and a lot of people will follow it more through news or see the games delayed.

[Benji Snap]

Originally Posted by Kyryllo

Yes the NRL Grand final had the highest ratings last year if anybody gives something about these, but prior years it was always mid or lower top 10 behind Australian open finals (sometimes semis) and the AFL final. The "interest" combines from participation, live audience, television audience and print or internet media reception. And here's why the tv rating does not say very much, AFL and NRL grand finals, A-Open finals are live events in australia, local live events get better coverage and create more audience. Now with soccer, soccer in australia is at a low level so it doesn't create much audience, the soccer that creates audience in australia is from the big leagues in europe and the european champions league. If soccer creates an audience in australia it does not have to be necessarily australian soccer. Since games in europe cannot create a local event they will not appear on the ratings lists and a lot of people will follow it more through news or see the games delayed.

We are talking about the current state of the sports market... Since 2003 union has retracted massively. Soccer has grown slightly thx to the a-league. RL has almost recovered from the super league war and the current ratings are showing that. The last few years the RL grand final has been in the top 5 shows if not #1.

If overseas soccer games had so much interest then why are they rarely watched by more than 100k ppl? Delayed and live coverage combined. Pay TV ratings are recorded extensively, not by phone surveys but directly from set top boxes. That is how TV ratings are gathered. Overseas soccer games barely create much audience at all. You are talking BS. Have a look at the foxtel pay tv ratings.

No matter how you try and spin it, any sport with under 100k viewers shows a great lack of interest.

As far as media interest rugby league dominates in NSW and QLD easily and AFL owns Victoria/WA.

[Kyryllo]

Originally Posted by Benji Snap

We are talking about the current state of the sports market... Since 2003 union has retracted massively. Soccer has grown slightly thx to the a-league. RL has almost recovered from the super league war and the current ratings are showing that. The last few years the RL grand final has been in the top 5 shows if not #1.

If overseas soccer games had so much interest then why are they rarely watched by more than 100k ppl? Delayed and live coverage combined. Pay TV ratings are recorded extensively, not by phone surveys but directly from set top boxes. That is how TV ratings are gathered. Overseas soccer games barely create much audience at all. You are talking BS. Have a look at the foxtel pay tv ratings.

No matter how you try and spin it, any sport with under 100k viewers shows a great lack of interest.

As far as media interest rugby league dominates in NSW and QLD easily and AFL owns Victoria/WA.

That is bullshit, all you could record from the pay tv buys would be the the number of pay tv buys and NOT the audience since you do not know how many people watching the program, these numbers mean shit. The audience research is done by surveys and cohort studies by a mini census. I suggest you educate yourself what a media market, sports market or recipient's interest is. If you like to say that interest is only measured by tv ratings fine, you also can say that 2+2=7 all you want, it doesn't make it true anyway.

[Benji Snap]

Originally Posted by Kyryllo

That is bullshit, all you could record from the pay tv buys would be the the number of pay tv buys and NOT the audience since you do not know how many people watching the programThe audience research is done by surveys and cohort studies by a mini census. I suggest you educate yourself what a media market, sports market or recipient's interest is. If you like to say that interest is only measured by tv ratings fine, you also can say that 2+2=7 all you want, it doesn't make it true anyway.

Pay tv buys? neither are on PPV. What are you talking about? The audience research isn't done by surveys and "cohort studies by a mini census". Its gathered directly from set top boxes like I said.

This is from the Oztam website

Data Collection
all television sets are monitored by the meter system. The meter records and stores time, date, television set on/off, channel to which each television set is tuned, capturing all broadcast viewing. All residents and guests register their television usage using a remote control.

Data Delivery & Reporting

Every night the data is retrieved automatically via modem telephone software (silent phone call). The production system performs the collection, processing, validation, weighting and final production of each household's data.

and anyway... are you really trying to say that soccer is bigger than rugby league in Australia?

[Ham_Roll]

Originally Posted by Kyryllo

That is bullshit, all you could record from the pay tv buys would be the the number of pay tv buys and NOT the audience since you do not know how many people watching the program, these numbers mean shit. The audience research is done by surveys and cohort studies by a mini census. I suggest you educate yourself what a media market, sports market or recipient's interest is. If you like to say that interest is only measured by tv ratings fine, you also can say that 2+2=7 all you want, it doesn't make it true anyway.

Kyryllo i dont understand the point you are trying to make.
Sports participation Soccer is by far the most played sport in Australia due to the amount of juniors playing ( its is seen as a safe option for young kids but as the ages grow its numbers dwindle). In Qld/NSW Rugby League has the major share of interest( Union does not come close in participation and in interest) however Union is backed by rich business men. In the southern states AFL dominates. However across the country Cricket has the largest amount of interest because it is well recieved across the nation and is played in summer.
As far as TV goes Cricket, League and AFL dominate all other sports eg all Football, Union are not even on free to air as they are considerded NOT TO BE A NATIONAL INTEREST.

[Kyryllo]

Originally Posted by Benji Snap

Pay tv buys? neither are on PPV. What are you talking about? The audience research isn't done by surveys and "cohort studies by a mini census". Its gathered directly from set top boxes like I said.

This is from the Oztam website

HAHA speak of clueless, the system it is done in australia is the same as everywhere. Do you really think it is recorded somewhere what you are watching?

here again from the OzTAM site even for the not so smart ones with pictures:
http://www.oztam.com.au/pdf/TV_ratin...ngsprocess.pdf

and anyway... are you really trying to say that soccer is bigger than rugby league in Australia?

All I am trying to say is that League is not the #1!!!1337LOL and pwns everything else in australia and people start talking about the NRL like the Yanks about their NFL. They too have to fight for their place day in day out. Number one is the AFL and it is expanding, in participation number one is soccer and of course they only play soccer and don't give a fuck about it in their spare time so are absolutely not interested in the game .

[Ham_Roll]

Originally Posted by Kyryllo

HAHA speak of clueless, the system it is done in australia is the same as everywhere. Do you really think it is recorded somewhere what you are watching?

here again from the OzTAM site even for the not so smart ones with pictures:
http://www.oztam.com.au/pdf/TV_ratin...ngsprocess.pdf


All I am trying to say is that League is not the #1!!!1337LOL and pwns everything else in australia and people start talking about the NRL like the Yanks about their NFL. They too have to fight for their place day in day out. Number one is the AFL and it is expanding, in participation number one is soccer and of course they only play soccer and don't give a fuck about it in their spare time so are absolutely not interested in the game .

It depends where you live in NSW and Queensland 90% could not even tell you the names of five AFL players and is opposite in Southern states. So to people living NSW and Queensland the biggest and 3rd biggest states by population Rugby League does pwn everything. Also Rugby League has the most viewers out of any sport in Australia, state of origin attracted over 2.5 million tv sets and State of origin is the biggest annual sporting event in Australia for coverage and income bigger than the AFL grand final, F1 race and Melbourne cup.
What are you trying to argue? and why? NRL is way bigger than Union and while NRL is growing Union is dire straits they have lost millions and have been losing money every year since the World Cup in Australia

[Frank Butcher]

Originally Posted by Benji Snap

LOL... are you high?

That was boring? Some of the skill on display was amazing. Long range tries and line breaks all game. Enterprising attacking, flowing football. Princes kick for Falou, Inglis linbreaks etc.

Compared to "top level" union where the score would be like 5 penalty goals to 1 and it would be a typical dour contest with fat forwards and the ball out of play for the majority of the game.

Australia have England and NZL to play. If Australian rugby league joined union then union international competition would be even more meaningless as Australia would beat everyone by 50+.

I thought it was rigged,so Sydney could get a decent crowd for the thrid game.

[Benji Snap]

Originally Posted by Kyryllo

HAHA speak of clueless, the system it is done in australia is the same as everywhere. Do you really think it is recorded somewhere what you are watching?

here again from the OzTAM site even for the not so smart ones with pictures:
http://www.oztam.com.au/pdf/TV_ratin...ngsprocess.pdf

lol are u trying to be retarded?

the picture proves me right

see that little black box on top of the TV? That records what channel the person is on, then it automatically uploads to the ratings database.