[jayrico]

Originally Posted by Titan416

How the Raptors can go from playing great half way through the season, making shots, playing defense and winning. To having TJ ford whine like a little fucking baby, and play no defense at all is beyond me.

Seriously can't wait till this season is over so we can trade TJ ford and get some fucking defense on this team.

Maybe they will also let Jason actually play some minutes finally since he is the only bright spot so far. instead of benching the best three point shooter in the league for most of the game.

I agree with getting rid of TJ Ford. I don't get why they choose to platoon the point guard position when it is clearly obvious that they are better off and more consistent with Calderon as the main PG.

[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by Titan416

How the Raptors can go from playing great half way through the season, making shots, playing defense and winning. To having TJ ford whine like a little fucking baby, and play no defense at all is beyond me.

Seriously can't wait till this season is over so we can trade TJ ford and get some fucking defense on this team.

Maybe they will also let Jason actually play some minutes finally since he is the only bright spot so far. instead of benching the best three point shooter in the league for most of the game.

Wouldn't say hes the best 3 point shooter, but i definitely hear you. If they play some D and don't let the Magic come out to monster quarters in the first half, we would see a whole different series.

Dwight is a monster though, that kid can ball.

[Stooge]

Originally Posted by fu-noob

I'm talking about over the course of the whole season...And 3 wins is a decent amount in a Western Conference that's been the best it has been arguably ever.

3 wins is a pretty equivocal margin in an 82 game season and they don't just play Western Conference teams.

Not to mention Okur was out for 10 games this season in which they lost 7 of the 10.

Excluding the fact that you're wrong since it was 6 losses, those stats are about as close as you can get to absolutely worthless. In every one of those games, if Williams wasn't playing like shit, Boozer was and vice-versa.

And Okur, I stated, started playing better after the all-star break. I'm taking a sample size of February to the Playoffs while you are judging his performance on 2 games. Regardless, he did post a 16 16 game which is promising against a good rebounding team in Houston.

You directly cited the Houston series in your post.

LeBron's game wasn't spectacular in the sense of his offensive output, but rather the clutch shots, and near triple double.

Hitting a three point shot to take the game to a second overtime isn't clutch? I wasn't particularly referencing his point output in my first post. 40 points, 3 blocks, 5 assists, 15 rebounds, with a 2/3 FG % is a damn good game all-around game.

[A Bird]

I must say the raps never fail to disappoint. I was worried as soon as I saw they would be playing Orlando. If the Magic had enough depth they could be dark horses to go all the way.

That being said I hope to God Boston wins it all this year. There is no one in the league that deserves a title more than KG.

[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by Stooge

3 wins is a pretty equivocal margin in an 82 game season and they don't just play Western Conference teams.



Excluding the fact that you're wrong since it was 6 losses, those stats are about as close as you can get to absolutely worthless. In every one of those games, if Williams wasn't playing like shit, Boozer was and vice-versa.



You directly cited the Houston series in your post.



Hitting a three point shot to take the game to a second overtime isn't clutch? I wasn't particularly referencing his point output in my first post. 40 points, 3 blocks, 5 assists, 15 rebounds, with a 2/3 FG % is a damn good game all-around game.

I cited the Houston series, as a projection of what I said would occur. They are doing exactly what I wanted them to do. And are up 2-0 on the road, despite being a "bad" road team...if i asked you prior to this whether they would win both in Houston, you would doubt it, that much I'm sure of.

I was counting the game where Okur got injured and left the game I believe 5 or so minutes into the first quarter. How is this worthless? You're missing a starter; of course your team is going to suffer...what point are you trying to make here?

And of course the Duncan shot was clutch, and he had a great game, but it was taken out of context. You are trying to make a case that Spurs are the same as last year, as are Utah and used Duncan's first game performance as an indicator. He went 8-20 last game...Not trying to hate on Duncan, but the fact that he is aging and has shown signs of it this season, as have the spurs in general, isn't really debatable.

[Saku4me]

Originally Posted by fu-noob

Wouldn't say hes the best 3 point shooter, but i definitely hear you.

How is he not the best 3pt shooter? Who is a better 3 pt shooter in your opinion and I'm asking just to hear your opinion on who you think is the best 3pt shooter in the league right now?

[Stooge]

Originally Posted by fu-noob

I cited the Houston series, as a projection of what I said would occur. They are doing exactly what I wanted them to do. And are up 2-0 on the road, despite being a "bad" road team...if i asked you prior to this whether they would win both in Houston, you would doubt it, that much I'm sure of.

With McGrady being a little sluggish due to his shoulder, I would have most certainly agreed that Utah would beat Houston at home. But this statement:

Okur played like garbage early on, but like i said, after the all-star break, he has really picked it up A LOT. And this is vs a great defensive team in Rockets.

...seems to have a lot more to do with Okur than Utah as a team.

I was counting the game where Okur got injured and left the game I believe 5 or so minutes into the first quarter. How is this worthless? You're missing a starter; of course your team is going to suffer...what point are you trying to make here?

Because if you look at the stats in those games in their entirety you'll notice that either Williams or Boozer played like dirt in I think all but one of those games (I'm not going to bother looking it back up), that is a much larger contributer to their losses than Okur being out.

And of course the Duncan shot was clutch, and he had a great game, but it was taken out of context. You are trying to make a case that Spurs are the same as last year, as are Utah and used Duncan's first game performance as an indicator. He went 8-20 last game...Not trying to hate on Duncan, but the fact that he is aging and has shown signs of it this season, as have the spurs in general, isn't really debatable.

Duncan's age has been apparent the past few years and, while he certainly isn't the athlete we saw back in the late 90's and early 00's, I don't see how he looks any older now than he did last year. And Duncan went 18 and 17 last game, that's better than what you were just praising Okur for.

The Spurs as a team are older than dirt but their two of their big three are relatively young and the old guys are mainly used off the bench.

[JordanLUFC]

Originally Posted by Stooge

Duncan's age has been apparent the past few years and, while he certainly isn't the athlete we saw back in the late 90's and early 00's, I don't see how he looks any older now than he did last year. And Duncan went 18 and 17 last game, that's better than what you were just praising Okur for.

The Spurs as a team are older than dirt but their two of their big three are relatively young and the old guys are mainly used off the bench.

Agreed. The age factor is a non-factor with the Spurs, they may be considered an 'old team' and would probably benefit with a few younger guys, but if they lose to Suns, Lakers, Jazz, Hornets etc, it will because they played a better series, not due to the age factor

[Titan416]

Originally Posted by Saku4me

How is he not the best 3pt shooter? Who is a better 3 pt shooter in your opinion and I'm asking just to hear your opinion on who you think is the best 3pt shooter in the league right now?

Hopefully Jason gets more playing time next year

We are almost exclusively guaranteed the top European players because of our connections with that league. We also have TJ ford to deal and a few other good players that we can get rid of for some defense and rebounding.

The raptors are in a perfect position to make some moves, pick up some talent and challenge for the east next year. However, like most Toronto franchisees I won't be surprised if the management fails horribly and we actually do worse.

[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by Stooge

With McGrady being a little sluggish due to his shoulder, I would have most certainly agreed that Utah would beat Houston at home. But this statement:



...seems to have a lot more to do with Okur than Utah as a team.



Because if you look at the stats in those games in their entirety you'll notice that either Williams or Boozer played like dirt in I think all but one of those games (I'm not going to bother looking it back up), that is a much larger contributer to their losses than Okur being out.



Duncan's age has been apparent the past few years and, while he certainly isn't the athlete we saw back in the late 90's and early 00's, I don't see how he looks any older now than he did last year. And Duncan went 18 and 17 last game, that's better than what you were just praising Okur for.

The Spurs as a team are older than dirt but their two of their big three are relatively young and the old guys are mainly used off the bench.

I'm not doubting Duncan, as I've said before. He's a great player, but looking at stats from a single game which is what you did, to gauge how well they will do this playoffs is illogical. I wouldn't go as far as saying every game, either one of them did bad. The loss to charlotte for example. Regardless, I'm making the point that Okur is a decent part to that team, hes a double digit scorer, he spreads the floor, AND he can rebound. Not to mention he's pretty clutch as well. Missing him for 10 games HAS its impact on the game, as seen in the games they lost and the teams they lost to during that stretch.

Spurs in general look older. Offensive numbers are lower, and the lack of effort during the regular season in certain stretches was very apparent.