[Chokin_my_Chick]

Originally Posted by Mr Sinister

I actually thought they could win the whole thing but they looked awful in that series on the road.

gots to give some credit to atl. they have a very talented team and if those guys all decide to show up to play, they're capable of beating anybody.

[Mr Sinister]

Originally Posted by Chokin_my_Chick

gots to give some credit to atl. they have a very talented team and if those guys all decide to show up to play, they're capable of beating anybody.

They definitely will be feeling good about themselves next year. Hopefully they will start winning some games and have a winning record because the EAST sucks besides Boston, Detriot and Orlando.

[ManBearPig187]

Now again, so you idiots don't cry again, my personal opinion is that KG is a better player and more well rounded. If you take rings into account that highly as I know a lot of people do, then I can see your argument and would tend to agree, but even taking that into consideration, by no stretch of the imagination is Duncan A LEVEL above Garnett. You are talking about 2 hall of famers here, and two top 5 players at their position ever...

If this is some kind of white flag, then... sorry. You're still a douchebag. Tim Duncan IS a level above Garnett. Let me sum up your argument for you: Basically, you think that if KG was placed in the same exact position as Duncan, he could have achieved everything that Duncan has. Fine, you can think that all you want. But the reality is, he didn't accomplish those things. He didn't have those legendary playoff games that Duncan has had. He didn't win 3 finals MVP awards. Essentially, you want to award KG for things he didn't do, but could have... well that's bullshit. Your argument is no different than if I were to say, "Well, if I was 10 inches taller, I would be a better PF than Garnett... I mean, I'm just as fast, just as strong, I have great post moves, etc..." It's just the same speculative bullshit. Now you can live in your BS fantasy what-if world as long as you want, but don't come on here and bring down everyone else's IQ with your lameness. Tim Duncan is the greatest PF of all time, end of story, go home now.

[Mr Sinister]

Originally Posted by ManBearPig187

If this is some kind of white flag, then... sorry. You're still a douchebag. Tim Duncan IS a level above Garnett. Let me sum up your argument for you: Basically, you think that if KG was placed in the same exact position as Duncan, he could have achieved everything that Duncan has. Fine, you can think that all you want. But the reality is, he didn't accomplish those things. He didn't have those legendary playoff games that Duncan has had. He didn't win 3 finals MVP awards. Essentially, you want to award KG for things he didn't do, but could have... well that's bullshit. Your argument is no different than if I were to say, "Well, if I was 10 inches taller, I would be a better PF than Garnett... I mean, I'm just as fast, just as strong, I have great post moves, etc..." It's just the same speculative bullshit. Now you can live in your BS fantasy what-if world as long as you want, but don't come on here and bring down everyone else's IQ with your lameness. Tim Duncan is the greatest PF of all time, end of story, go home now.

POWNED by the WHITE BELT!!!!

* Awaits a Response if any..*


P.S. By the way Lakers won!!!

[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by ManBearPig187

If this is some kind of white flag, then... sorry. You're still a douchebag. Tim Duncan IS a level above Garnett. Let me sum up your argument for you: Basically, you think that if KG was placed in the same exact position as Duncan, he could have achieved everything that Duncan has. Fine, you can think that all you want. But the reality is, he didn't accomplish those things. He didn't have those legendary playoff games that Duncan has had. He didn't win 3 finals MVP awards. Essentially, you want to award KG for things he didn't do, but could have... well that's bullshit. Your argument is no different than if I were to say, "Well, if I was 10 inches taller, I would be a better PF than Garnett... I mean, I'm just as fast, just as strong, I have great post moves, etc..." It's just the same speculative bullshit. Now you can live in your BS fantasy what-if world as long as you want, but don't come on here and bring down everyone else's IQ with your lameness. Tim Duncan is the greatest PF of all time, end of story, go home now.

Not a white flag at all. Just an agree to disagree statement because I cant stand arguing with idiots who have absolutely no idea how to play the sport let alone form a thought while watching it.

You argument lies in terms of accomplishments which is a product of opportunity. Again, Stockton is better than Parker. Are the accomplishments there? No, but by watching the two play, you can clearly see who is the better player. While Duncan and Garnett are a lot closer in skill than Parker and Stockton, my argument stands.

I have never once praised KG for something he DID NOT do. I have praised him for his game, his skill set, and have not once resorted to say that he would have won a championship blah blah. Stop assuming shit, and stop changing my argument around in order to try to prove your point. Debates don't work like that, but I wouldn't expect anything else from a douche bag who has probably never touched a ball in his life.

When you have something intelligent to say, or would like to argue based on what I actually said instead of assuming false shit, come back and make a coherent post.

[fu-noob]

I'd like to ask everyone on this forum who can think on their own...as a player who do you think is the more complete, better player? Wilt or Russel?

You can see where I'm going with this. Russel was a winner, he won, he fit well on his team, and they won...A LOT. Wilt was the more complete player but didn't have to tools needed to win a championship as often as Russel.

This can be taken into consideration with Oscar Robertson as well. Are you going to tell me Sam Jones or Havlicek are better, more complete players than Oscar? Give me a fucking break; think outside the box for a second.

[ManBearPig187]

Originally Posted by fu-noob

I'd like to ask everyone on this forum who can think on their own...as a player who do you think is the more complete, better player? Wilt or Russel?

You can see where I'm going with this. Russel was a winner, he won, he fit well on his team, and they won...A LOT. Wilt was the more complete player but didn't have to tools needed to win a championship as often as Russel.

This can be taken into consideration with Oscar Robertson as well. Are you going to tell me Sam Jones or Havlicek are better, more complete players than Oscar? Give me a fucking break; think outside the box for a second.

If Russell put up better numbers than Wilt in the regular season and playoffs while winning all those championships... then yeah, I'd have to give it to Russell. Fuck, I hope everyone would. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Give up please, you're embarrassing yourself. You have absolutely no basis for saying KG is a more complete player other than your own warped opinion. Do I have to post their career regular season averages and playoff averages? Okay...


TD regular season: 21.6 11.8 3.1 2.4
playoffs: 23.7 12.5 3.5 2.7

KG regular season: 20.4 11.2 4.4 1.7
playoffs: 22.2 12.8 4.9 1.8


Well, KG does beat him in assists... lol

[ManBearPig187]

Actually, the most damaging thing about those numbers is that TD put them up while playing on a great team every year... and look what happens to KG's numbers when he plays on a good team. Ouch. You need to stop. This isn't an argument anymore.

[Saku4me]

Originally Posted by fu-noob

I'd like to ask everyone on this forum who can think on their own...as a player who do you think is the more complete, better player? Wilt or Russel?

You can see where I'm going with this. Russel was a winner, he won, he fit well on his team, and they won...A LOT. Wilt was the more complete player but didn't have to tools needed to win a championship as often as Russel.

This can be taken into consideration with Oscar Robertson as well. Are you going to tell me Sam Jones or Havlicek are better, more complete players than Oscar? Give me a fucking break; think outside the box for a second.

I want to stay out of this but it's getting ridiculous. I want to respect Fu-Noob but everytime someone disagrees with him, his comeback is "I can't stand arguing with kids who don't know anything about basketball" or "I know more about basketball than you ever will". Yea, way to show your knowledge. You would look much better if you stop making dumb accusations like this.

BTW, there's a huge skill and accomplish difference between Wilt and Russell as well as Parker and Stockton. The same can't be said about KG and Duncan.

While I can live with this statement "talent-wise, they're pretty close to the same level", what they have accomplished is what sets them apart. Duncan is a proven commodity and a proven leader. As I mentioned before, Reggie Theus lost all credibility when he posted these two remarks:


KG- 5/5 Shot-blocking TD- 5/5

Sorry but KG's shot blocking has never been at the same level as TD. Duncan has never averaged less than 2 blocks per game since he entered the league while Garnett has only averaged 2 blocks per game in two seasons....2.4 blks/game over 11 years vs 1.7 blks/game over 13 years doesn't make them anywhere close to the same level of blocking ability.

KG- 5/5 Leadership TD- 3/5

How the hell does KG get a 5 out of 5 for leadership and Duncan only get a 3? What has KG ever led the Wolves to? So far, KG has led the Celtics to the best record in the league and almost an embarrassing 1st round loss to the worst playoff team this year. Once more, the argument is that KG never had a great squad around him....I wonder why that is (hint....max contract). Sure KG is one of the hardest working players in the league, but he is also the highest paid player in the league and has been for years. Duncan has 3 NBA MVPs, has been an All Star every year in the league 10, 10 All NBA Teams in 10 years, 10 All NBA Defensive Team in 10 years, 4 NBA Championships in 10 years...yet KG is the better leader?

This is why Theus's comments are flawed.

Once more, here's a better comparison from 10 ESPN sportswriters ranking the 10 greatest PFs in NBA history. 5 of the 10 writers gave their votes to TD as the greatest ever. 1 of 10 gave their votes to KG as the greatest ever. Outside of one ESPN writer, no one had Garnett higher than 4th all time while the lowest TD got ranked was 3rd.

ESPN - ESPN.com's Greatest Power Forwards - NBA

[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by ManBearPig187

If Russell put up better numbers than Wilt in the regular season and playoffs while winning all those championships... then yeah, I'd have to give it to Russell. Fuck, I hope everyone would. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Give up please, you're embarrassing yourself. You have absolutely no basis for saying KG is a more complete player other than your own warped opinion. Do I have to post their career regular season averages and playoff averages? Okay...


TD regular season: 21.6 11.8 3.1 2.4
playoffs: 23.7 12.5 3.5 2.7

KG regular season: 20.4 11.2 4.4 1.7
playoffs: 22.2 12.8 4.9 1.8


Well, KG does beat him in assists... lol

Ok, so it goes by stats now? Just want to make sure on your criteria on what makes players better.

This would mean LeBron James is a more complete player than Kobe Bryant, as is Dwayne Wade. I would agree about LeBron, but many of you tend not to. So again, is this your basis for the argument?