[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by Stooge

Stats are interpretive, not absolute. A lower margin of victory could have many determinants, not simply a lack of effort. And nobody gives two shits about the offensive efficiency rating, that's why you hardly ever hear a coach bring it up.



Kirilenko has been less than stellar the past couple years but I think his defense makes him more important to the team.



Yet the Spurs proved they were the better overall team in the playoffs. And are you implying that this season is more competitive because of the Spurs?

[quote[\]3 of the 4 they lost prior to Okur getting injured were on the road, and vs very good teams at home. You're taking away a guy who has won them a handful of games with big shots in the past couple of years, and is averaging 14.5 8 2 ...he's an integral part to that teams success, much less than Dwill and boozer, but still plays an important role.

And a couple of those losses were against good teams on the road when he was out, plus when he came back he played like crap and they were still able to beat two pretty good teams in Portland and Dallas. I'm not really debating that he's an important part of the team (all starters are important) but he's really not going to dictate how they play. I would equate his importance to Z's for the Cavs.[/quote]



AK is not more important than Okur to that team. I don't know what you don't get about that. He may be a more versatile player, but his importance to the team has diminished in the past few years with his inconsistencies, and injuries.

And what other factors could be indicative of a lower or higher margin of victory? The best teams in the league, year in year out, have the highest margin of victories. A decrease in the margin, is a great indicator of how a team played compared to years past.

Where did you get me saying that its more competitive BECAUSE of the spurs? Don't remember ever making that comparison.

[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by The Gem

in what world is Ray Allen a great three point shooter?

How many more years is he going to live off of a 3 year stretch around 2001 where he was great, until people realize he is just an above average shooter.

Nash and Kapano, are the best 3 point shooters in the league. Then Peja and Hamilton are tied in a distant 3rd.

Kapano and Nash are actually 2 of the top 10 3point shooters of all-time. Creating your own shot is pointless when you are a worse shooter.

You are talking about apples and oranges.

It is statements like this that make people think Jamal Crawford isn't a bench player, because he can "create his own shot".


Kapano has led the league the past 2 years in 3point shooting, so I am not sure what you are talking about. Plus he is shooting an insane 46.4% for his career.


Mike Miller and Richardson are also both more mid-range shooters than 3 point shooters.

None of these players are more valuable than Kapano besides Nash. All of them are career losers, and Kapano does what Peja does, but far better.


Kapano not playing over Jamario Moon is why Sam Mitchell sucks. The only reason he still has a job is because for some reason he won coach of the year.


I am proud too that I have every single first round match-up wrong besides the obvious ones.

Kapono is also taking 1.5 threes a game, as opposed to people like Peja, shooting 40+% shooting almost 6 a game. Big difference.

And again, how can you say a player who can work off the dribble and nail a 3, is worse than a player who is a spot shooter who can only receive a pass to hit his shot...

None of these players are more valuable than Kapano besides Nash. All of them are career losers, and Kapano does what Peja does, but far better.

In what sense are they NOT more valuable than Kapono? lol

Mike Miller and JRich are more mid-range shooters, yet you include Richard Hamilton in your comparison who is almost the purest form of a mid range shooter you have in the game.

JRich is taking close to 8 threes a game, and Peja 6 while both are shooting 40+ with Peja shooting 44 on 6.8 threes a game.

Your comparison is like saying Steve Kerr was a better 3 point shooter than Reggie Miller. Give me a break.

Ray Allen is much more than an above average shooter. I'm not even going to argue this. I don't see how anyone in their right mind could disagree.

[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by Saku4me

That's what I'm saying. There are much better scorers but in terms of pure 3pt shooting, no one is better than Kapono. He has the league's highest 3pt FG% for all players who've made over .5 per game and attempted at least 100 3's. Not to mention he's won the 3pt shooting contest 2 years in a row.

I'd put Kapono over any other NBA player in a 3pt contest if the contest was to take place today. Once more, guys like Allen may be better scorers and what not, but at the 3pt line, they're not as good as Kapono and I'm not arguing about who is the better player...we're just talking about 3pt shooting.

3 Point shooting in practice, or in a contest is MUCH DIFFERENT than having a defender on you, or in pressure situations. I've seen people in gyms who can hit three pointers from 30 feet on a consistent basis, but IN GAME situations, its completely different. No doubt Kapono is a great shooter, but producing in the game is another thing - meaning I'll take a guy who takes 4 times as many threes, and makes them at close to the same % any day over a spot up shooter who has absolutely no dribble game.

[jdm_boy]

I hope Phoenix is able to overcome the 2-0 deficit against the Spurs.

[daniel crawley]

Originally Posted by jdm_boy

I hope Phoenix is able to overcome the 2-0 deficit against the Spurs.

I hope you are right

[daniel crawley]

Originally Posted by fu-noob

3 Point shooting in practice, or in a contest is MUCH DIFFERENT than having a defender on you, or in pressure situations. I've seen people in gyms who can hit three pointers from 30 feet on a consistent basis, but IN GAME situations, its completely different. No doubt Kapono is a great shooter, but producing in the game is another thing - meaning I'll take a guy who takes 4 times as many threes, and makes them at close to the same % any day over a spot up shooter who has absolutely no dribble game.

I agree with everything your saying. Like I said earlier, Nash has taken almost 400 3pt attempts this year, and Kapono has taken about 120. Nash has a .470 compared to .480 of Kapono. Plus the Fact that a ton of Kaponos three point attempts are set up for him so they tend to be open or good looks. And the three point contest doesn't mean shit. not many times has the MLB homerun Derby winner been the league leader at the end of the year. Its all Exhabition.

[Titan416]

Originally Posted by daniel crawley

I agree with everything your saying. Like I said earlier, Nash has taken almost 400 3pt attempts this year, and Kapono has taken about 120. Nash has a .470 compared to .480 of Kapono. Plus the Fact that a ton of Kaponos three point attempts are set up for him so they tend to be open or good looks. And the three point contest doesn't mean shit. not many times has the MLB homerun Derby winner been the league leader at the end of the year. Its all Exhabition.

I think Nash is a better overall shooter then Jason. In fact Nash almost had the greatest shooting year in the history of the NBA this year.

However, the reason Nash takes more shots then Jason is because Jason rides the bench all game and barely gets to play. Nash on the other hand two time MVP point guard. Gigantic difference.

Of course I would take Nash over Kapono, but it has little to do with his three point shooting.

Jason's style of play fits extremely well into certain types of offenses. If you put Kapono on a three point shooting team, with a good point guard he can be deadly. He is never going to be a started, he will never be an all-star. However if you give him an open look he will knock down the threes when it counts and I have more faith putting the ball in his hands in that situation then most people in the NBA.

[daniel crawley]

Originally Posted by Titan416

I think Nash is a better overall shooter then Jason. In fact Nash almost had the greatest shooting year in the history of the NBA this year.

However, the reason Nash takes more shots then Jason is because Jason rides the bench all game and barely gets to play. Nash on the other hand two time MVP point guard. Gigantic difference.

Of course I would take Nash over Kapono, but it has little to do with his three point shooting.

Jason's style of play fits extremely well into certain types of offenses. If you put Kapono on a three point shooting team, with a good point guard he can be deadly. He is never going to be a started, he will never be an all-star. However if you give him an open look he will knock down the threes when it counts and I have more faith putting the ball in his hands in that situation then most people in the NBA.

I get what you mean, but the reason I mentioned the difference in attempts is because it is more impressive too be almost a 50% 3 point shooter at 400 attempts then with 120. Its about who is most consistant or dependable shooter and I would have to take Nash

[The Gem]

Jason Kapano needs to be traded to the T-wolves, and just let him get open looks off of double teams from Al Jefferson.

[daniel crawley]

Originally Posted by The Gem

Jason Kapano needs to be traded to the T-wolves, and just let him get open looks off of double teams from Al Jefferson.

Like I said I would have loved to have him in Phx. But I was not suprised when Brian Colangelo picked him up. Raptors are my 2nd favorite team now because I love the Colangelo family. Unforunately it isn't looking good for them or Phoenix right now