[balance]

Originally Posted by fu-noob

I like players that can create their own shot A LOT better than a spot up shooter. Ray Allen, Stojakovic, JRich, Steve Nash, Mike Miller are all more valuable 3 point shooters in my opinion than Kapono. There's others but i don't feel like looking right now.

It's nice that you have your own preference and opinion, but ability to create shots and 3 point proficiency are apples and oranges. Kapono is the best 3 point shooter in the league, and has been for the past two seasons. There's no disputing this.

Every player you listed is a better scorer than Kapono, but none of them are better pure 3 point shooters.

[CO68]

Come on Wizards, take it to the Cavs and make LeBron cry again...

[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by balance

It's nice that you have your own preference and opinion, but ability to create shots and 3 point proficiency are apples and oranges. Kapono is the best 3 point shooter in the league, and has been for the past two seasons. There's no disputing this.

Every player you listed is a better scorer than Kapono, but none of them are better pure 3 point shooters.

It's not apples and oranges. A player who can create a shot and hit 3's at the same and this season, higher % than Kapono, is more valuable than someone who is a spot up 3 point shooter.

[Cipote]

Originally Posted by Titan416

rofl. Poor JR. Talks shit with Kobe then gets embarrassed.

what happened exactly?
Unfortunately I missed the game

[Stooge]

Originally Posted by fu-noob

Offensive efficiency is a decent indicator. A better indicator would be margin of victory, i.e. see the teams who won the ring and their corresponding margin of victory. Guess where Utah is? Third behind Detroit and Boston. And I'm basing on stats here, which aren't assumptions my man.

Stats are interpretive, not absolute. A lower margin of victory could have many determinants, not simply a lack of effort. And nobody gives two shits about the offensive efficiency rating, that's why you hardly ever hear a coach bring it up.

AK is one of the most inconsistent and injury ridden players in the past few years. As bad as okur's season was this year compared to lasts, he was a more important part to that team than AK this year AND the year before.

Kirilenko has been less than stellar the past couple years but I think his defense makes him more important to the team.

The were 9 behind the Mavs due to the Mavs terrific play last year, unlike this season where the blame lies on the Spurs.

Yet the Spurs proved they were the better overall team in the playoffs. And are you implying that this season is more competitive because of the Spurs?

[quote[\]3 of the 4 they lost prior to Okur getting injured were on the road, and vs very good teams at home. You're taking away a guy who has won them a handful of games with big shots in the past couple of years, and is averaging 14.5 8 2 ...he's an integral part to that teams success, much less than Dwill and boozer, but still plays an important role.[/quote]

And a couple of those losses were against good teams on the road when he was out, plus when he came back he played like crap and they were still able to beat two pretty good teams in Portland and Dallas. I'm not really debating that he's an important part of the team (all starters are important) but he's really not going to dictate how they play. I would equate his importance to Z's for the Cavs.

[The Gem]

in what world is Ray Allen a great three point shooter?

How many more years is he going to live off of a 3 year stretch around 2001 where he was great, until people realize he is just an above average shooter.

Nash and Kapano, are the best 3 point shooters in the league. Then Peja and Hamilton are tied in a distant 3rd.

Kapano and Nash are actually 2 of the top 10 3point shooters of all-time. Creating your own shot is pointless when you are a worse shooter.

You are talking about apples and oranges.

It is statements like this that make people think Jamal Crawford isn't a bench player, because he can "create his own shot".


Kapano has led the league the past 2 years in 3point shooting, so I am not sure what you are talking about. Plus he is shooting an insane 46.4% for his career.


Mike Miller and Richardson are also both more mid-range shooters than 3 point shooters.

None of these players are more valuable than Kapano besides Nash. All of them are career losers, and Kapano does what Peja does, but far better.


Kapano not playing over Jamario Moon is why Sam Mitchell sucks. The only reason he still has a job is because for some reason he won coach of the year.


I am proud too that I have every single first round match-up wrong besides the obvious ones.

[Titan416]

Originally Posted by Cipote

what happened exactly?
Unfortunately I missed the game

Kobe was having an insane game and was showing off a bit. When he made his last three of the night he looked over at the announcers and put down three fingers. He then blew out his fingers like a gun. I guess JR didn't like it so they both started to get into it. Talking shit with each other. So kobe called for the ball, went around all the defense, drove on JR scored and got the foul.

[daniel crawley]

Originally Posted by Titan416

Kobe was having an insane game and was showing off a bit. When he made his last three of the night he looked over at the announcers and put down three fingers. He then blew out his fingers like a gun. I guess JR didn't like it so they both started to get into it. Talking shit with each other. So kobe called for the ball, went around all the defense, drove on JR scored and got the foul.

Man I hate Kobe, but he is def the closet thing skill wise we have seen to Jordan. And it kills me to say that(see AV)

[Saku4me]

Originally Posted by balance

It's nice that you have your own preference and opinion, but ability to create shots and 3 point proficiency are apples and oranges. Kapono is the best 3 point shooter in the league, and has been for the past two seasons. There's no disputing this.

Every player you listed is a better scorer than Kapono, but none of them are better pure 3 point shooters.

That's what I'm saying. There are much better scorers but in terms of pure 3pt shooting, no one is better than Kapono. He has the league's highest 3pt FG% for all players who've made over .5 per game and attempted at least 100 3's. Not to mention he's won the 3pt shooting contest 2 years in a row.

I'd put Kapono over any other NBA player in a 3pt contest if the contest was to take place today. Once more, guys like Allen may be better scorers and what not, but at the 3pt line, they're not as good as Kapono and I'm not arguing about who is the better player...we're just talking about 3pt shooting.

[daniel crawley]

Originally Posted by Saku4me

That's what I'm saying. There are much better scorers but in terms of pure 3pt shooting, no one is better than Kapono. He has the league's highest 3pt FG% for all players who've made over .5 per game and attempted at least 100 3's. Not to mention he's won the 3pt shooting contest 2 years in a row.

I'd put Kapono over any other NBA player in a 3pt contest if the contest was to take place today. Once more, guys like Allen may be better scorers and what not, but at the 3pt line, they're not as good as Kapono and I'm not arguing about who is the better player...we're just talking about 3pt shooting.

I would put Nash agianst him anyday. Nash's % is only about .10 behind him, but he has also taken 3 times as many three pointers this year as Kapono. I love Kapono and was just praying PHX would pick him up this summer , but I still think Nash is a better 3 point shooter. I would take Nash wide open, off the pick, or a game winner all day long