[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by Saku4me

How is he not the best 3pt shooter? Who is a better 3 pt shooter in your opinion and I'm asking just to hear your opinion on who you think is the best 3pt shooter in the league right now?

I like players that can create their own shot A LOT better than a spot up shooter. Ray Allen, Stojakovic, JRich, Steve Nash, Mike Miller are all more valuable 3 point shooters in my opinion than Kapono. There's others but i don't feel like looking right now.

[Stooge]

Originally Posted by fu-noob

I'm not doubting Duncan, as I've said before. He's a great player, but looking at stats from a single game which is what you did, to gauge how well they will do this playoffs is illogical.

That's not really the point I'm trying to make; you mentioned Duncan specifically in your first post:

Duncan is having one of his lesser years, and the age on the team is beginning to show. You think Spurs of old, especially last year would have let this suns team go to double OT at home? Hell no.

...and I pointed out that Duncan usually raises his game during the playoffs. I wasn't using him as a barometer for the team but, if you look at it, Parker and Ginobli are playing as expected and those are the only guys the Spurs need to produce night in and night out. They can handle a lag in performance from guys like Finley, Barry, Vaughn, etc. because they're so deep.

I wouldn't go as far as saying every game, either one of them did bad. The loss to charlotte for example. Regardless, I'm making the point that Okur is a decent part to that team, hes a double digit scorer, he spreads the floor, AND he can rebound. Not to mention he's pretty clutch as well. Missing him for 10 games HAS its impact on the game, as seen in the games they lost and the teams they lost to during that stretch.

Losing a starter always has some impact, but the Jazz obviously have more important parts to their team (3 more, to be exact).

His one-on-one game isn't great but he is a good open shooter especially for his size. It's not like the Spurs have to plan their defense around him or anything.

Spurs in general look older. Offensive numbers are lower, and the lack of effort during the regular season in certain stretches was very apparent.

I'm not having another numbers argument with you and, as far as their lack of effort, I didn't notice any and I watch nearly every Spurs game.

[fu-noob]

You didn't notice a lack of effort? Their offensive efficiency this year has decreased by a significant amount. When's the last time you'd expect a Spurs team to drop 6 of 7 in such a tight playoff race as they did in late march? They ARE NOT the same team as they were last year. Playoffs may be a different story, but I don't like assumptions.

What 3rd part of the Jazz team are you referring to?

His one on one game doesn't have to be great. He spreads the floor, allows for a lot of opportunities and open looks and helps deron work his game, and hes a threat under the boards too. It's not a coincidence that when he didn't play, they didn't do as well. You didn't see such a decrease in play and success when AK was out.

[EmmanuelYarb]

HOW IS LEBRON GONNA DEAL WITH THIS?!

[EmmanuelYarb]

oh and Kobe is embarassing and taunting the Nuggets.

[Titan416]

rofl. Poor JR. Talks shit with Kobe then gets embarrassed.

[Misfit23]

That skit on TNT post-Laker game was absolute gold.

[Stooge]

Originally Posted by fu-noob

You didn't notice a lack of effort? Their offensive efficiency this year has decreased by a significant amount. When's the last time you'd expect a Spurs team to drop 6 of 7 in such a tight playoff race as they did in late march? They ARE NOT the same team as they were last year. Playoffs may be a different story, but I don't like assumptions.

This whole conversation is based on assumption unless offensive efficiency rankings (which hardly anybody takes seriously) are supposed to reveal some absolute truth.

I didn't expect the Spurs to finish 9 games behind the Mavs in the regular season last year or to lose to the Mavs in the semifinals the year previous, but it's a volatile and extremely competitive league where anything can happen.

What 3rd part of the Jazz team are you referring to?

Clearly AK, he's a great defender and pretty good offensively, although he has taken a back seat the past couple years.

His one on one game doesn't have to be great. He spreads the floor, allows for a lot of opportunities and open looks and helps deron work his game, and hes a threat under the boards too. It's not a coincidence that when he didn't play, they didn't do as well. You didn't see such a decrease in play and success when AK was out.

Their total w-l record for the month of December when Okur took his 7-game hiatus was 5-11 (the Jazz lost 5 of the 7)including a stint where the dropped 4 in a row prior to Okur's departure; evidently they had some kinks to work out as a team.

[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by Stooge

This whole conversation is based on assumption unless offensive efficiency rankings (which hardly anybody takes seriously) are supposed to reveal some absolute truth.

I didn't expect the Spurs to finish 9 games behind the Mavs in the regular season last year or to lose to the Mavs in the semifinals the year previous, but it's a volatile and extremely competitive league where anything can happen.



Clearly AK, he's a great defender and pretty good offensively, although he has taken a back seat the past couple years.



Their total w-l record for the month of December when Okur took his 7-game hiatus was 5-11 (the Jazz lost 5 of the 7)including a stint where the dropped 4 in a row prior to Okur's departure; evidently they had some kinks to work out as a team.

Offensive efficiency is a decent indicator. A better indicator would be margin of victory, i.e. see the teams who won the ring and their corresponding margin of victory. Guess where Utah is? Third behind Detroit and Boston. And I'm basing on stats here, which aren't assumptions my man.

AK is one of the most inconsistent and injury ridden players in the past few years. As bad as okur's season was this year compared to lasts, he was a more important part to that team than AK this year AND the year before.

The were 9 behind the Mavs due to the Mavs terrific play last year, unlike this season where the blame lies on the Spurs.

3 of the 4 they lost prior to Okur getting injured were on the road, and vs very good teams at home. You're taking away a guy who has won them a handful of games with big shots in the past couple of years, and is averaging 14.5 8 2 ...he's an integral part to that teams success, much less than Dwill and boozer, but still plays an important role.

[fu-noob]

On a side note, what a game by Kobe...the team doesn't fare so well when he tries to take over like that, but tonight was a different story. Great performance.