[Ted-P]

If Lebron becomes more of a refined scorer, he will win the MVP award at least a couple of times in his career.

[EmmanuelYarb]

West, Peja, Chand > Odom and Gasol

IMO

[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by Titan416

just Ignore Fu noob. He was arguing with me for a big part of the season as to why Lebron is a god and Kobe doesn't deserve the MVP. Then the moment he realized Lebron wasn't going to win it, he jumped on the CP3 bandwagon.

Kobe Bryant put up the second best numbers in the NBA this season, on a team that had scoring options, rebounders and a pointguard. Thats more impressive then putting up big numbers on a shitty team that depends on a single player to do everything for them.

He played over half the season with an injury on his shooting hand that he should have been sitting out with, a finger he will need surgery on just before the Olympics.

He helped lead the Lakers to the number 1 spot in arguably the most competitive division in the history of the NBA while making sure new players like Paul Gasol blended in well with the team.

Chris Paul had an argument to be MVP this year, but Kobe flat out deserved it more. Outside of his other numbers, off the court presence, coaching of new and young players, he averaged 28.3 points, with mutilated finger in his shooting hand, on a team that has multiple scoring options, including one of the best and highest scoring centers in the NBA. That is flat out impressive.

Also saying Chris Paul doesn't have players around him is a tired argument. He has a fucking amazing team that busted their ass in the off season to get better. It's all in the chemistry.

Funny as I mentioned Chris Paul as a legit MVP candidate, as well as Kobe early in the debate by expressed my opinion as to why LeBron deserved it over him. Losing the majority of the last games of the season left LeBron with no realistic chance of winning it based on the criteria. I guess lying to make your point makes you feel better.

Kobe did not have the 2nd best numbers haha, please stop making things up.

NBA.com:

Chris Paul does have good players around him, but not as good as Kobe's. This difference, combined with their individual play, is the reason why CP deserves it over Kobe. I guess a game behind means that much to you.

And the injury argument is getting old. Kobe already stated it feels great, and it's giving him no problems. Fuck, if playing through injuries were that important, lets give it to Morrison his rookie year for playing with diabetes.

[Ted-P]

Chand is a huge disappointment. I still remember how much hype he got when he was drafted.

Chandler is a decent player at best right now. Peja is way too one dimensional and can't create on his own.

Odom and Gasol can create their own plays.

[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by EmmanuelYarb

West, Peja, Chand > Odom and Gasol

IMO

Odom is one of the most versatile players in the past few years. He put up a game which hasn't been done in over 10 years, with his 20 20 5 5 game.

Peja is a pure shooter who can't defend for shit. He's a danger when left open or given open shots (by guess who), otherwise he's not a threat.

And Chandler gets 80%+ of his points from Paul.

[fu-noob]

I love the people who honestly believe LeBron's "numbers" would go down on a good team. What basis do you have for this argument. You might be able to pull off arguing that his points might go down, but outside of that, you're looking at a pretty big increase when surrounded by players that can actually hit shots better than my HS team.

[Ted-P]

Odom's nickname is triple-double waiting to happen by the way.

And Gasol has blossomed beautifully.

Instead of just talkin about the usual suspects... let's talk some future prospects...like Dwight Howard

Watching Howard against Bosh was a sight to see. Bosh is my favorite player, but Howard is just a beast.

If he develops properly, Howard will be unstoppable in the future in my opinion.

[fos]

West is a good player, but he's only been an all star since Paul has been around. Gasol on the other hand was a franchise player, and the Lakers got him for PEANUTS. Both teams have good supporting casts, but the Lakers have a better team, no question. I think Paul came in and did exactly what Nash did for the Suns. Value is different from the BEST. Kobe is the best, or maybe Lebron is, but Paul is the most VALUABLE to his team. What Kobe deserves is a lifetime achievement award, he's going to be a hall of famer no doubt, but C. Paul was MVP.

Oh and the injury argument is worst than the supporting cast argument. An injury makes you less valuable to a team, as admirable as it is, the GM wants a player HEALTHY...... same for all sports.

[muaythaifolife]

Originally Posted by fu-noob

Don't even try to act liek Lakers would have finished first without Gasol...

Stojakovic is a one dimensional player whos opportunities come almost solely from Paul this year. David West im not going to deny is a great player, but the point remains, Lakers have a better all around team with more contribution from each individual player. In terms of efficiency from each individual player, Lakers are close to the top. Peterson is garbage this year by the way.

HAHA quit trying to act like he is the sole reason the Lakers are winning.

Peja is a proven monster shooter and was averages close to 20ppg and 40something percent from behind the arc over his entire career so dont try to downplay his game for your argument. He, like Pau gets his 15-20 a night regardless of what team hes on. I can agree with you that Ty Chandler is pretty much garbage offensively without CP though.

So Sasha, Vlad, Farmar all pretty much nail their 3's off of Kobe's penetration... defense collapses, Kobe kicks it out directly or to someone else that makes the pass to an open shooter which IMO is creating for his team mates just as Paul is regardless if it's an assist or not. Pau is getting the easiest points in his career off of that pick-n-roll think about it.

[cuhson]

Instead of just arguing strictly by the numbers, some of you folks just need to watch the games. MVP isn't all about the numbers. You statwhores need to get that out of your minds. Watch a Lakers game and you'll see the presence Kobe has on the floor. One last thing, Kobe's defense is heads and shoulders above LeBron's and CP's. Until they come with that defensive tenacity, none of those two should ever be considered better than KB24.