[ShogunJZ360]

I think it is bull that a player that cries about wanting to be traded for the first month of the season wins the mvp. Also and yes i am a cleveland nuthugger how did lebron only get 1 first place vote? he led the league in scoring 30 pts and averaged 8 ast and 7 boards come on who else does that

[Titan416]

Originally Posted by ShogunJZ360

I think it is bull that a player that cries about wanting to be traded for the first month of the season wins the mvp. Also and yes i am a cleveland nuthugger how did lebron only get 1 first place vote? he led the league in scoring 30 pts and averaged 8 ast and 7 boards come on who else does that

1. There is more to basketball then numbers.
2. Getting numbers like those, tough extremely impressive, are distorted by the fact that the Cavs don't have consistent defensive rebounders, they don't have many players that can score and they have one of the worst point guard situations in the NBA.

Their offense is also completely structured around Lebron, with him only really having to give up the ball if he can't make a play.

Lebron had a great year this year, but he won't win the MVP until he puts up numbers close to those on a good team and they finish number 1 or 2 in their conference. However, I highly doubt Lebron puts up those type of numbers on a team that has multiple scoring options, a good center and players who can pass, while structuring their offense on everyone, not one person.

Thats what made Jordan so special. He put up numbers like those on a extremely deep and talented team. The offense wasn't just about him, and everyone could pass score and rebound.

[ShogunJZ360]

Aren't the cavs one of the leading rebounding teams the past two years? and not having any other threat causes the defenses to only concintrate on him which makes putting up 30 a night even more impressive. Also if he had other scoring options imagine how many more assist he would get a game. he should average about 13 assist a game but his teammates always miss the wide open shots he creates for them

[muaythaifolife]

Choke On That Biatches!!!!!!! Mvp! Mvp! Mvp! Mvp!

[Mr Sinister]

Hooray for KOBE!!!!!!


P.S. his wife looks kind of like Kim Kardashian..

[Mystile]

[Titan416]

Originally Posted by ShogunJZ360

Aren't the cavs one of the leading rebounding teams the past two years? and not having any other threat causes the defenses to only concintrate on him which makes putting up 30 a night even more impressive. Also if he had other scoring options imagine how many more assist he would get a game. he should average about 13 assist a game but his teammates always miss the wide open shots he creates for them

If Lebron was on the lakers he would average numbers like Kobe because he wouldn't be getting rebounds over Lamar and Paul, he wouldn't be the only scoring option, the offense wouldn't be designed around him and they have players who can pass.

Lebron gets double teamed, but so do all great players. Kobe made a career out of being double teamed. When an entire team focuses their defense on Lebron, all his numbers drop except assists, because all he can do is pass. I don't even know the last time Kobe had 10 turn overs.

This is the basics of basketball. It's not a Myth. Almost all players have their numbers drop when they get more talent around them. Lebron has just about none around him.

[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by Titan416

1. There is more to basketball then numbers.
2. Getting numbers like those, tough extremely impressive, are distorted by the fact that the Cavs don't have consistent defensive rebounders, they don't have many players that can score and they have one of the worst point guard situations in the NBA.

Their offense is also completely structured around Lebron, with him only really having to give up the ball if he can't make a play.

Lebron had a great year this year, but he won't win the MVP until he puts up numbers close to those on a good team and they finish number 1 or 2 in their conference. However, I highly doubt Lebron puts up those type of numbers on a team that has multiple scoring options, a good center and players who can pass, while structuring their offense on everyone, not one person.

Thats what made Jordan so special. He put up numbers like those on a extremely deep and talented team. The offense wasn't just about him, and everyone could pass score and rebound.

He didn't put up numbers like those on the "great bulls". His 32 8 8 year wasn't on the Bulls we all know and love...

And again, what part of Lebron's numbers will go down on a great team? His rebounding, which is 8 a game for a 3 forward who plays on one of the better rebounding teams in the league, his assists? haha, his steals? his fg? His points is the only thing that might go down, but I honestly doubt it.

Regardless, to diminish his numbers because he plays on a bad team is just dumb. Kobe had a terrible team and still didn't play as efficiently as LeBron. He scored more, yes, but didn't have the overall stat line LeBron did, actually, not even really close to it.

[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by Titan416

If Lebron was on the lakers he would average numbers like Kobe because he wouldn't be getting rebounds over Lamar and Paul, he wouldn't be the only scoring option, the offense wouldn't be designed around him and they have players who can pass.

Lebron gets double teamed, but so do all great players. Kobe made a career out of being double teamed. When an entire team focuses their defense on Lebron, all his numbers drop except assists, because all he can do is pass. I don't even know the last time Kobe had 10 turn overs.

This is the basics of basketball. It's not a Myth. Almost all players have their numbers drop when they get more talent around them. Lebron has just about none around him.

Didn't you try to argue he does have a pretty good supporting cast?

[fu-noob]

Originally Posted by muaythaifolife

Lets not forget he still had close to 40 points those games and Utah were still double teaming him.

Pretty subjective which team has the better roster if you ask me.
Davis West was an all-star this year
Peja Stojakovic 3-time all star
Tyson Chandler solid defender and improving
Morris Peterson solid contributor who was a go to guy for Toronto
Of course Chris Paul

and Bonzi, Jenaro, and some other decent guys off the bench




Im not underrating Pau, just stating that every other solid team has a 1-2, including NO. Lets not forget, the Lakers were still the top team in the West before they got Gasol.

And Im not saying that CP doesnt deserve it either, it was a close race and Kobe just ended up getting the nod... no robbery in that

Don't even try to act liek Lakers would have finished first without Gasol...

Stojakovic is a one dimensional player whos opportunities come almost solely from Paul this year. David West im not going to deny is a great player, but the point remains, Lakers have a better all around team with more contribution from each individual player. In terms of efficiency from each individual player, Lakers are close to the top. Peterson is garbage this year by the way.