[KOU In3]

Originally Posted by PT447 [B

it takes the fight away from the warri[/b]or and into the hands of the generals! but hey, all's fair in love and war, eh?

I think this is the crux of the difference though. Streetfights can't be romanticized into battles between honorable warriors but instead tend to be dirty scuffles initiated by someone who perceives themself to have an unfair advatage.

The biggest reason NOT to fight IMO, is that someone will only fight you because they think they are going to win. So when you look at them and think that your training tips the scales in your favor, they have either training, buddies to back them up, or are armed.

[PT447]

Originally Posted by King Kabuki

Yeah it was tight-work.

So do you have formal education of knivery? Or is it just a hobby-style passion.

What's your favorite style of knife-fighting? For me Kali seems to have the skinny on some of the best tactics. I once met a Mexican dude in California who had one arm all drawn-up with his hand gnarled like if he was clawing. Asked him what happened and he said he got into a knife-fight with a Filipino dude who knew Kali, and he got cut along the inside of his upper-most arm right near the armpit. Said it severed a bunch of nerves and he lost use of the arm completely.

Funny part:

He still knife fights.

i don't have any formal training in knife fighting. like i said, never had to be forced into a confrontation where i needed to use my knife. but i've wathed videos, taken manual's and such from libraries. i'm more into the collecting. when/if i come into a lot of money, i'd love to start purchasing some real antiques and rare knives.

i'll tell you though, some of those knife-fighting styles are really intense, crazy fast-paced attacks and stuff. i've thought about putting more effort into learning more about using knives properly, but i guess its just low on my priority list!

[PT447]

Originally Posted by KOU In3

I think this is the crux of the difference though. Streetfights can't be romanticized into battles between honorable warriors but instead tend to be dirty scuffles initiated by someone who perceives themself to have an unfair advatage.

The biggest reason NOT to fight IMO, is that someone will only fight you because they think they are going to win. So when you look at them and think that your training tips the scales in your favor, they have either training, buddies to back them up, or are armed.

totally agree! most fights are quick and brutal. just like most bare-handed fights go to the ground at turn into a pounding. most knife fights are slashing and swiping...

as far as nobody fighting unless they feel they have the advantage, i adressed that in an earlier post. i've had knives drawn on me a few times in philly and back in school... once i drew my own from underneath my hoody, they backed off and looked at me like i was some sort of "badass"... its funny, if they drew a gun, i'd just have thrown them my wallet, but if a guy pulls a knife, chances are its all he has. and most criminals are petty anyway, so they want to avoid confrontation, only want to show they "could" hurt you!

[TapOutGrapler]

I got an Argentinan Steak knife that I carry around, just incase someone doesn't have a steak knife to offer me at their house

[Tristram Shandy]

oh i think that competetive shooting and using rifle's is essentially a skillfull persuit... but honestly, the most perceived gun is the handgun... and that rerquires zero skill to take anyone out.

I would strongly challenge the assertion that the hand gun requires "zero skill." As someone who is certified in the use of three different firearms weapon systems (rifle, shotgun, and handgun) I would suggest that it is actually the most difficult. Any firearms instructor (which I am not) could tell you that because less of your body is in contact with the weapon it is harder to control. This is why automatic rifles can be fired accurately (use of a shoulder stock) as opposed to a pistol which, when rendered automatic, usually needs to have a foregrip added to it to achieve any kind of accuracy. This is akin to gun enthusiasts I know telling me that they don't need to learn how to punch since EVERYBODY knows how to throw a punch.

As far as the knife question goes I never leave the house without my Kershaw Ken Onion Boa 3 3/8" folder. At work I also carry a SOG Seal Pup and a Gerber Boot Knife. I can think of several times at which these weapons could be used effectively in the guard (femoral arteries anyone?) but I will defer to senior members for the moment.

[PT447]

Originally Posted by Tristram Shandy

oh i think that competetive shooting and using rifle's is essentially a skillfull persuit... but honestly, the most perceived gun is the handgun... and that rerquires zero skill to take anyone out.

I would strongly challenge the assertion that the hand gun requires "zero skill." As someone who is certified in the use of three different firearms weapon systems (rifle, shotgun, and handgun) I would suggest that it is actually the most difficult. Any firearms instructor (which I am not) could tell you that because less of your body is in contact with the weapon it is harder to control. This is why automatic rifles can be fired accurately (use of a shoulder stock) as opposed to a pistol which, when rendered automatic, usually needs to have a foregrip added to it to achieve any kind of accuracy. This is akin to gun enthusiasts I know telling me that they don't need to learn how to punch since EVERYBODY knows how to throw a punch.

As far as the knife question goes I never leave the house without my Kershaw Ken Onion Boa 3 3/8" folder. At work I also carry a SOG Seal Pup and a Gerber Boot Knife. I can think of several times at which these weapons could be used effectively in the guard (femoral arteries anyone?) but I will defer to senior members for the moment.

i totally respect your opinion... but lets face it... more gun deaths (violent and accident) are done by handguns. shootings on streets, with gangs, those guys don't go to gun school. little kids picking up guns and shooting them... i'm not knocking guns at all in the way you might think, i'm just saying that any moron can pick up a handgun, point and shoot. how could that be not true? again, i'm not talking knowledge of the complexities of the weapon, i.e. cleaning, maintenance and repair. i'm saying, point and shoot.

and as for the knife/guard example... yeah, your 100% right, but in the end, knife fights are mostly stand-up swipe and poke ordeals...not on the ground, precision strikes!!! i'm talking the average encounter, since the vast majority of people don't have any training in anything they use!

[Sohei]

It takes skill to use knives and guns but its just so much more fun to stab someone than shoot them.

[Sohei]

Originally Posted by King Kabuki

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I once met a Mexican dude in California who had one arm all drawn-up with his hand gnarled like if he was clawing. Asked him what happened and he said he got into a knife-fight with a Filipino dude who knew Kali, and he got cut along the inside of his upper-most arm right near the armpit. Said it severed a bunch of nerves and he lost use of the arm completely.

Pwned.

[CowboyPete]

Originally Posted by PT447

oh i think that competetive shooting and using rifle's is essentially a skillfull persuit... but honestly, the most perceived gun is the handgun... and that rerquires zero skill to take anyone out. i equate handguns with knives... since they are the only things you can equate of the two forms of weapons... essentially, handguns being closest to close-combat weapons, like knives and swords. but i also standbye my "ware" position as it takes the fight away from the warrior and into the hands of the generals! but hey, all's fair in love and war, eh?

like that little pun didn't'cha?

To further drive home the idea that it does take skill to kill someone, here's a true little story of a shootout that took place on my campus a couple years ago (I go to SUNY New Paltz, you can look this up if you want). After an on campus party, some students were walking to their homes through one of the parking lots and they were fired upon by a person carrying a handgun. This was two people. The attacker fired six shots and then left the scene. 5 of them missed and the only one that hit caught one of the guys (barely) in the thigh.

[PT447]

thats what i'm talking about! anyone who thinks it takes any skill to shoot a handgun is a little to delerious about how special guns are! you point & pull, thats it! again, i'm only talking about handguns here!