[heliogracie215]

... for all of those military and police types out there with your tricked out rifle package tucked in a pelican case or your base armory this is your thread.. post your pic with pride !!

[heliogracie215]

[ame206350]

Neither of those are the best guns to begin with...post some cool shit. 7.62 is more ballistically stable and those rifles both still suffer from the same breach fowling problems of the original design from the late 60's/early 70's (reference retarded thumb jack to force the breach clear. - surely technology has advanced in the last 30 years?) Sure they might look cool but get 'em real dirty and you get owned by any terrorist with an AK. Show me a Steyr Aug or something remotely exotic. Everyone and their dog has one of the other two.

[ame206350]

Originally Posted by heliogracie215

At least that thing looks cool...nice. I have an AR15 but it's ahem...not like that one.

(I realize that's an M4)

[heliogracie215]

Originally Posted by ame206350

Neither of those are the best guns to begin with...post some cool shit. 7.62 is more ballistically stable and those rifles both still suffer from the same breach fowling problems of the original design from the late 60's/early 70's (reference retarded thumb jack to force the breach clear. - surely technology has advanced in the last 30 years?) Sure they might look cool but get 'em real dirty and you get owned by any terrorist with an AK. Show me a Steyr Aug or something remotely exotic. Everyone and their dog has one of the other two.

... first if you clean your weapon then you dont have that problem, and since it does not work that well ask the poor sobs that my unit offs on a regular basis with this shitty weapon system ... and canada ? lol please that says it all bro !

[Barut]

The problem with fouling in m4/ar15's is due to the fact that the action is powered by diverting gas from the barrel to the breach to force the bolt back. The Ak/SKS design eliminates this problem by incorporating a piston in the gas tube to act as a buffer. Both commie guns are 20+ years older than the MK16 so I don't understand why the US still uses such a shitty design.

[Barut]

Originally Posted by heliogracie215

... first if you clean your weapon then you dont have that problem, and since it does not work that well ask the poor sobs that my unit offs on a regular basis with this shitty weapon system ... and canada ? lol please that says it all bro !

Wasting a bunch of underfed, robe clad, goat farmers with your infrared equipped M4 must be whery satisfying. Thanks for protecting my freedom (or whatever the fuck you guys are doing over their.)

How many times have you had time to clean your weapon while taking fire? That's exactly the situation our GI's found themselves in Vietnam. The firing mechanism of the m16/m4 is shitty when compared to that of the AK. I'm not challenging your manhood, it's a simple fact.

[Gregster]

Hey Barut: why don't you do yourself a favor and stop flaunting your ignorance of stuff you obviously don't know the first thing about.

The jamming problems that plagued the original M16 rifles stemmed from:

1) The lack of proper chroming on the barrels
2) The lack of a forward assist to close the bolt if needed
3) Crappy ammo
4) Idiots in procurement telling the troops they never had to clean the damned thing.

Most of the problems you talk about were address and solved almost 30 years ago. And here's a clue for you, free of charge: militaries, police forces, and special operations units worldwide (such as the SAS who've been shit-canning their L85s as soon as they can get an M16A2/M4) don't make a rifle their preferred battle arm for three decades or more because it sucks and fails in combat.

Quit spewing nonsense you read in a book or which your pappy/uncle/whatever told you about the Mattel plastic gun in 'Nam. You're embarassing yourself.

P.S. One of my best friends has an SKS; the gas system on that is not as different from the M16 as you seem to think.

[Barut]

From here:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as18-e.htm

"At the present time almost all initial flaws of the M16 are bugged out, and it is considered among the best assault rifles in the world. While its reliability in the harsh conditions cannot match reliability of its main rival, the Kalashnikov AK-47 and AK-74, it is still a quite reliable rifle, especially when well maintained. It is also comfortable to fire and quite accurate."

"The heart of the AR-15 is the direct gas system, developed by the Eugene Stoner in the early 1950s. This system uses no conventional gas piston and rod to propel bolt group back after the shot is fired. Instead, the hot powder gases are fed from the barrel and down to the stainless steel tube into the receiver. Inside the receiver, the rear end of the gas tube enters into the "gas key", a small attachment on the top of the bolt carrier. The hot gases, through the gas key, enter the hollow cavity inside the bolt carrier, and expands there, acting against the bolt carrier and the collar around the bolt body. The pressure of the gases causes the bolt carrier to move back against initially stationary bolt. The linear rearward movement of the carrier initially transferred into the rotation of the bolt, via the cam slot in the bolt carrier and the cam pin, attached to the bolt, that followed the slot. As soon as the bolt is rotated to unlock from the barrel, the bolt group continues its rearward travel under the inertia and the residual pressure in the barrel, extracting the spent case and compressing the buffer return spring, located in the buttstock. The forward movement of the bolt group first strips the fresh cartridge from the magazine and, on the final stage of the movement, rotates the bolt to lock into the barrel extension."

My SKS has a piston that acts as a buffer between the bolt and the gas tube. This is what I was referring to. Sorry you had a hard time understanding. Please try to realize that some mere civilians do know what they're talking about where guns are concerned.

[Barut]

I'm not claiming that shitty ammo and lack of cleaning weren't factors in the initial reliability fiasco, but the fact that hot fucking gasses are routed directly into the bolt area necessitate the forward assist mechanism.