Opinions on weapons in the streets - Page 2

KOU In3 · 03-09-2006, 03:09 PM

Some random thoughts on points raised earlier in the thread:

A bat upside the head is just as lethal, if not more so, than a knife at times.

Carrying a SD baton in the car door can be asking for trouble. Anytime someone can make a case for you having a 'combat mindset' you are in for potential legal trouble.

Carrying a knife for self defense is illegal and can get you arrested and/or in a great deal more trouble if deployed. However, carrying a knife as a tool (i.e. for use cutting boxes, rope, packages, etc.) that you use in the emergency of being threatened is a different legal scenario.

The same scenario goes for the bat actually. If a cop pulls you over and asks why there is a bat under your seat and you reply "in case some nut assaults me" you can be in for a lot of trouble. If you reply "Sometimes I like to stop at the batting cages or pick up a game of softball" you're generally in the clear.

Generally, using something handy for a weapon when pushed is much more acceptable than carrying something for use as a weapon "just in case".

Just some random thoughts to contribute.

note: I am not a lawyer and laws vary by area.

Gregster · 03-09-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KOU In3

Carrying a SD baton in the car door can be asking for trouble. Anytime someone can make a case for you having a 'combat mindset' you are in for potential legal trouble.

Perhaps. I checked with a couple cops, including a 32-year Knoxville PD veteran who recently retired to become the chair of my schools' new Crimminal Justice program, and the gist I get is that while it may be technically illegal, like so many things it all comes down to the discretion of the officer on the scene.

To whit: I was told if I'm in deep shit and *must* defend myself, I'm probably okay. If I act like an idiot and pull a road-rage and start waving it around at people, I'm probably going to jail.

And like I said: if I've got that bad boy extended and am putting a hurt on someone with it, it'll be under the sort of circumstances where I'll gladly take my chances with the cops later if it comes to that.

But not bad advice all the same, dude.

TWR · 03-10-2006, 05:02 AM

There are too many bad things that can happen in a street fight. Criminal & civil repercussions for starters. Even if you "win" the fight you could still wind up on the short end. Nothing sucks worse than having a shit load of medical bills to pay for because you lost your cool with some asshole. You also have to consider the possibility of getting injured yourself. Breaking a hand & missing work is pretty shitty as well. As for the criminal side of things, that can range from misdemeanor battery to murder. A couple of years ago I saw a trial on CourtTV of an old man who hit another old man once in the head & killed him. Fighting makes you a man until you're somebody's bitch in prison. These are all scenarios of what can happen in a "fair" fight with no weapons.

I will say this though. I have a wife & 2 kids & will use whatever force necessary to make sure I'm around for them. If that means I have to shoot, cut with a knife, hit with a shovel or stab with an ink pen someone who is attacking me, so be it. I have 1 rule & that's at the end of the day, I go home.

Pacmanandy · 03-10-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by King Kabuki

Weapons have a place in conventional warfare, it's just a different level of self-preservation. Depending on the social norm I think carrying and using weapons with certain tact and etiquette is perfectly fine. The thing to consider here is there are a lot of people who are not just free-roaming individuals. They have families who depend on them and therefore they must defend themselves with a certain amount of zeal and maximum level of ability to deal with conflict (especially that which may be life-threatening) quickly and with a certain amount of finality. When your life is on the line and you have very short moments to react, there are very few rules or regulations that need be considered IMO.

Very cool post.

Bang Bang · 03-10-2006, 07:28 PM

knives are more dangerous than guns in the sense that anyone can grab one and kill you without knowing shit about it's specific "training," also they're cheaper and VERY easy to get ahold of in comparison to pistols

for example a man can grab a knife and kill you just as easily as a "non-combat trained" disgruntled wife could stab you and open up your neck without any real lessons or experience at all -

all they had to do was grab a knife ..... it's almost an instinct on how to use a knife for most people (note: never argue with your girl in the kitchen)

guns are harder to use in the sense that if you never handled one, chances are that you might not figure out the safety, the insertion of ammuntion, the reloading process, the jamming, the recoil, the aiming (not sideways) and even having the space to pull out and use it properly

I'll carry on me whatever feels right, but usually these days I dont look for trouble or even care about that. I either fight my way out or I dont, I think Ill be okay. I dont need legal problems by stabbing people up or shooting up a place. I dont even look for that kind of shit to get involved in

I still got a glock by my bed and also in my car. I dont want to have to carry it around since I dont have a permit and because of so, for special occasions I'm looking into a nice knife to carry around. for years I had a ****l penknife or a switchblade Id have sometimes, but that's just for shanking and not really for cutting

I think I'd want something practical and easy to carry by my belt every now and then

giovannip · 03-11-2006, 02:54 PM

I work as a plumber in alot of projects or rough areas. At all times there are pipe wrenches, hammers and a variety of tools that can be implemented as weapons if a situation arose. Better not to have to explaine why you were carring a weapon. Now everyone is not a construction worker with a tool box in the car, but most cars come with a neat little jack and a tire iron. The tire iron can be useful. A police officer told me once if you are going to have a bat in the vehicle, throw in a glove and ball for legitemacy.

As far as guns go.... I thing they are great for home protection ( provided that kids cant get to them etc... and you know how to use it. ) I like a pistol grip shotgun, but I keep a Glock too. I decided against buying a subcompact easilly concealbale gun because I think I would be more likely to carry. I have been in situations where I needed to carry and it is such a relief when it is no longer neccasary and the threat subsides. The reason I personally do not like to carry is I have been able to escape situations without using a firearm and it's presense may make me more likely to use it.

People may say better to be prepared and not need it..... then to need it and be unprepared. I agree with that, but Many things can be used as weapons. When confronted with any weapon equal or better the weapon..... rocks, fence posts, salt shakers, fork, barstool.... whatever. I realize a gun or knife are considered more lethal than the things I just listed....

this is just my philosophy to protect myself from an assailant and the legal system

Greasemonk · 03-15-2006, 08:17 PM

I carry Brass Knuckles around with me alot of times, ever since I got jumped by 8 black people. I'd pull them out and use them, if I ever get into another fight. As long as the fight is 1on1 or even 2on1 I'm sure i have a pretty good chance with my BJJ and Muay thai training against random street fighters.

KOU In3 · 03-22-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Greasemonk

I carry Brass Knuckles around with me alot of times, ever since I got jumped by 8 black people. I'd pull them out and use them, if I ever get into another fight. As long as the fight is 1on1 or even 2on1 I'm sure i have a pretty good chance with my BJJ and Muay thai training against random street fighters.

Not sure if you realize it but brass knuckles are going to land you in a lot more legal trouble than a lot of more effective weapons. Brass knuckles are outright illegal to possess and are considered to have no other purpose than criminal ones.

Knives, mace, bats, etc. are all going to be more effective and less felonious if you are caught with them or even caught using them. Just something to think about.

zenshin · 03-23-2006, 02:49 PM

so what you guys train here for your secutiry or bouncer jobs.

gherdog · 04-12-2006, 04:34 PM

i hate weapons in fights unless its a life or death thing, or the person pulls one first, but my buddy was in a fight at a party one on one they both had eachother by their shirts( he doesent train) then the guy pulles a kinfe stabs him in the stomach and ran, now to me thats some pussy ass shit and i hate it.