[nomilkforsanta]

So my training buddies and my self want to start doing some knife fighting/defense along with mma training. We are thinking of getting some no lies blade (if i we had LOTS money shock knives). anyways, there is no place with a good "school" for this in the area, so we want to get some instructional DVD's to learn some basic ideas and techniques.

The best ones i found are the:

Dog brothers; http://dogbrothers.com/product_info....roducts_id=118

and

Tony Blauer; S.P.E.A.R. SYSTEM CONTROLLING THE BLADE SEMINAR


Are any of these good, or is there better system out there?

[mixicus]

In general, check out the Filipino styles (Kali, Escrima, and Arnis) and Indonesian (Silat). Though there are differences, sometimes substantial, between the various sub-disciplines; most have a heavy blade and stick component.

There are also several quality 'seminar instructors' where you can learn some basics in a 1 or 2 day format. For some specific people checkout "Steve Tarani", "Michael Janich", "Ernie Emerson", and "Tom Sotis". Dan Inosanto, the Dog Brothers, Paul Vunak and many of their instructors are good trainiers as well.

[Halls]

Pekiti-Tersia and Sayoc Kali offer the best hands down knife training of any mainstream filipino martial art. Dog Brothers although great incorperates very little knife training in their videos.
For training blades go to edges2.com. Bob carries NOK trainers which are the best in my opinion and also inexpensive.
It's great to see more and more people interested in Kali but I would recommend not using a video to train with. I would encourage you to seek out a Kali instructor because although videos are great for supplemental instruction they cannot give you the fundamentals that a live instructor can give you.

I am very involved in Kali and know many instructors teaching numerous styles of Kali in many different states. If you want I can refer you to schools in your area. Feel free to PM me or post again in this thread and I'll be more than happy to help out.

[D-Train]

Did anyone see that Escrima episode of Fight Quest? They competed in knife fighting. It was very interesting.

[IMAF#1]

Originally Posted by D-Train

Did anyone see that Escrima episode of Fight Quest? They competed in knife fighting. It was very interesting.

I'm pissed that I missed it, and keep on missing the replays. To the TS, I wouldnt recomend doing knife defence training on a dvd. For something as complicated as the knife it is best to learn with a trainer.

[nomilkforsanta]

Originally Posted by Halls

Pekiti-Tersia and Sayoc Kali offer the best hands down knife training of any mainstream filipino martial art. Dog Brothers although great incorperates very little knife training in their videos.
For training blades go to edges2.com. Bob carries NOK trainers which are the best in my opinion and also inexpensive.
It's great to see more and more people interested in Kali but I would recommend not using a video to train with. I would encourage you to seek out a Kali instructor because although videos are great for supplemental instruction they cannot give you the fundamentals that a live instructor can give you.

I am very involved in Kali and know many instructors teaching numerous styles of Kali in many different states. If you want I can refer you to schools in your area. Feel free to PM me or post again in this thread and I'll be more than happy to help out.

i don't really want to learn kali, and the triangle footwork/stick/empty hand...i just want to learn knife fighting...The only place in my area is a lame JKD guy with a bruce lee shrine...

[Halls]

Originally Posted by nomilkforsanta

i don't really want to learn kali, and the triangle footwork/stick/empty hand...i just want to learn knife fighting...The only place in my area is a lame JKD guy with a bruce lee shrine...

Well then just get a couple trainers and flail around with your buddies and you can call it knife fighting.

Kali is the primary system used in any knife training, knife fighting or knife defense. As much as you don't want to learn footwork it is the most important part of any knife sparring. Tuhon Gaje (Pekiti-Tersia) trained footwork for 8 hours a day for 2 years (Pekiti guys correct me if I'm wrong) as a child before picking up a knife or stick.
Also what most people don't realize is that stick, knife and empty hand are all interchangeable. Whatever you can do with a stick you can do with a knife or empty hand.
Lastly, because someone has a tribute to Bruce Lee has no bearing on how profiecient of a teacher he is. Guro Inosanto has many tributes to Bruce. Is he a bad instructor? Is the BJJ instructor with pictures of Helio Gracie on his wall a lame instructor because of them?

Again I encourage you to train with an instructor. Could you learn BJJ or Muay Thai well with only the use of a videotape? Otherwise, there are no tapes on knife sparring, fighting only knife defense.

[Chesten_Hesten]

So my training buddies and my self want to start doing some knife fighting/defense along with mma training. We are thinking of getting some no lies blade (if i we had LOTS money shock knives). anyways, there is no place with a good "school" for this in the area, so we want to get some instructional DVD's to learn some basic ideas and techniques.

The best ones i found are the:

Dog brothers; http://dogbrothers.com/product_info....roducts_id=118

and

Tony Blauer; S.P.E.A.R. SYSTEM CONTROLLING THE BLADE SEMINAR


Are any of these good, or is there better system out there?

Listen Chum,

No offense to the other guys giving advice, I'm sure they mean well and all but fuck the Kali, fuck the Dogman, and all that other Roundie shit.

Go buy a couple of the training knives listed below:


2 Pack of Applegate Fairbairn Rubber Training Knives, Black, Pair
http://www.amazon.com/Applegate-Fair.../dp/B000BYMZ9O

Next go here:
http://shop.fencing.net/category_s/66.htm

Get a couple entry level masks.

Get two fencing gloves.

Start Sparring.

If you or your buddies have any aptitude, you'll quickly notice the obvious, that Jabs beat hooks. Straight attacks beat roundies. Watch any boxing match, and you'll see this. While hooks can arguably do more damage with a fist, the mechanical advantage of the point and blade, makes up for it with a straight thrust. In Boxing the jab annoys and harasses, and sets up power shots. With the blade it kills you and ends the fight right there.

Goto a YMCA or local anyplace that may have a fencing class and enroll yourself. Learn what movement is, the correct hand positions, what a closed line is. Then think about the uses for the back hand to parry. Keep the front hand free to attack always.

Go Spar with your buddies. Play the game of hit without being hit. Practice trying to disarm someone. Learn what a Feint is good for.

Employ basic fencing strategy with the addition of using you back hand to block, and you'll hand the Kali-knife fighters and all the hook-hand roundies guys their asses...

That's it.

[Halls]

That's the first time that I've heard of Fencing being an effective tool for knife training.
I've never taken a Fencing class so I wont downgrade it like you have with Kali. What kinds of knife training is done in Fencing? What kinds of disarms are used? Do you incorperate a tip down fighting style?
Through JKD I have trained in Fencing footwork. From my experience Fencing doesn't include angling footwork as Kali does. Does Fencing include angled footwork?Do you think angled footwork is useless?
Do you think Kali knife strikes are limited to hook type movements?

I think you need to educate yourself in Kali before you can judge it.
Lastly, you seem to be confident in your knife sparring ability from Fencing, enough to say that basic fencing strategy will hand Kali knife fighters their asses. I encourage you to seek out a Kali school in your area and test your skills against other students. After that I think you will have a new respect for Kali.

[Incognitoone]

I recently started knife training myself. I bought two practice knives from Cold Steel, and the book "Knife Fighting: A Practical Course". I have not read the whole book yet, but I am pleased with the content so far, and the amount of pictures. http://www.amazon.com/Knife-Fighting...9824290&sr=8-1