[stinkoman]

Pardon my ignorance but how much hand to hand is used in kali? I was thinking about taking it as martial art since their is a school in my town,but everytime I did a search on the internet about it all it really mentions stick and knife fighting.

[KingSnake]

Originally Posted by stinkoman

Pardon my ignorance but how much hand to hand is used in kali? I was thinking about taking it as martial art since their is a school in my town,but everytime I did a search on the internet about it all it really mentions stick and knife fighting.

I learned a some kali during my days training silat. Both arts teach you that knife and stick are extensions of the hand. Most of the time you learn barehand 1st. Kali has a lot of good defense moves. Make sure the instructor is legit.

[Pidol]

travel to the Philippines and get real training
the best Escrima trainer is currently in jail for slicing someone over an arguement

[babyjay]

Is arnis, kali and escrima basically the same thing?

[peregrine]

Originally Posted by babyjay

Is arnis, kali and escrima basically the same thing?

yes.

i am training fillipino martial arts(fma) now. the old timers here know i have a seasoned background in ma so i am not some ignorant newb touting fma. i believe that fma has a place and it is a group of styles that are well diveresed with there most potent arts being those of the stick and blade. most of the hand to hand stuff is based off similar movements of using one of those weapons. i will go out on a limb and say that if you want to be a good all around fighter fma could definatelly add something to your game. i would not use it as a standalone in mma, but much of fma can be applied to the cage succesfully if you train correctly and not use low percentage moves. i will say that there most underated achievements of fma is the footwork. silat and fma footwork can be impressively used in the cage or street by the knowledgable and efficient.
i do not feel that high levels of trapping can be used effectivelly on a seasoned fighter. saddly much of the fma places feel otherwise and some think that the fancy movement drills can be directly transferred over to direct application.
i have moved to training fma as i am getting older and i do not wish to incur an injury such as a mcl or r/c tear. with fma, though we do spar the stick the majority of the time is padded.

to the one who said the spinning hook kick was not used by the koreans till post 1957 i highly doubt that. consdier that most cultures have similar movements, such as everyone pretty much does a hip throw the same way. we all have the same bodies and mechanics so i doubt that statement as fact.

if you want to see something impressive watch the dog brothers. fullcontact stickfighting with just gloves and a fencing helmet which is basically a screen to protect your eyes. lately the advent of bjj has imposed its will on many of the dog bros fights, but watch the fights that don't go to the ground and the fighters rely on there weapons like there stick, fists, knees, elbows and kicks.

from the site i just saw sikaran is kickboxing.

[guinnesstime]

There is a retired navy vet that teaches kali-arnis here in my town and I plan to sign up. There was an old guy at the place I used to train karate/bjj that learned from some filipino man, the old guy sparked my intrest in kali but he really wouldnt spend much time showing me any kali cause he had moved on to focusing on mma.