[heliogracie215]

... go with the big boy 26inches

[Big Tymer]

Originally Posted by GCSD Fighter

Extendable batons are definitely useful, however outside of law enforcement are mostly illeagal. They fairly easy to conceal from general view. I'm sure they'd be picked up on a pat-down search.

Stay away from cheap ones, they'll bend or snap with first strike. You get what you pay for, so invest a bit more.

Would we call them a 'kosh' in England? They can be bought over the counter of my local army and navy store in Stoke.

[killerverma]

Always carrey one for protection if cought by the po po. You will be given a £3000 fine

[gza]

Originally Posted by Sonny

Mikado down on Hastings sells generic batons. I've been told that the Spy Store on Broadway sells authentic asp batons. I might go check it out this weekend.

Dave's Army Surplus in new west sells

[Nutt]

these are now very illegal in the UK.

I would go with the knife if I Didn't care about killing someone, If Im out to cause damage, and im not to worried bout my own welfare or the law, the knife is king.

If I want to /defend/ myself, genuine ASP every time. there is a bit of a revloution going on in that some research shows a wodden straight bat is more effective than an ASP however, I can't find the link right now though.

Still, If I could carry an ASP while doing security work I would!

[EDBM]

If I am not mistaken Snoop Dog just got busted for having one of these in his car (among other things). Apparently considered a concealed weapon in L.A.

[aries]

Originally Posted by Big Tymer

Would we call them a 'kosh' in England? They can be bought over the counter of my local army and navy store in Stoke.

I doubt it. Only the police can legally buy batons these days. If it's a 'kosh' it will be a blackkack/sap type implement. i.e. leather covered lead shot/steel spring device. Good for dealing damage to someones head but absolutely no range.

[imyourgod2]

About the baton vs. knife fight.
Since we all admit that batons are illegal to carry in most areas, are you guys comparing illegal knives with illegal batons, or legal knifes with illegal batons. I'd imagine that those 1 foot ridiculous knives might change the "self-defense equation." They're probably more like a sword.

Good discussion.

[Guardian]

Originally Posted by PinataMan

Post about %10 accurate. Carrying a gun in CA is not a misdemeanor - other than that, I'm not even gonna bother.

Actually he is correct, carrying a gun in california is a misdemeanor if you are caught with it and you are not part of a gang or gang relations and some other stipulations on it, that's if you don't have a C&C license, it's a $200 fine.

Check California Laws, it states in there.

[zfolwick]

Originally Posted by peregrine

1. your boxing i suspect is excellent. likely in the top 35% of the active amateurs out there. so yes a 4inch knife vs you and a tonfa in daylight in an open field you have the advantage.
bigger the knife the advantage sways towards the knifer. again add to this the street factor and the knifer gains even more.

interesting you mention DB.
i actually have that dvd. if i recall correctly that was "Top dog" knaus, cofounder of db. the best of the best. he has had the most fights which means THOUSANDS(estimated near 3000) of real stickfights. the best backhand around combined with the best footwork around. of the thousands of db real stick fights, that is the only one where the knee cap was split. if i remember correctly it was a wicked backhand and he is known for his powerful backhand and elusive footwork. as for tonfa vs knife db has done those as well. finding the knife superior many a times. by superior i mean lethality. thursts to the body from a blade vs stick hits.
i will make clear the tonfa is a wonderful weapon. it has many options. lethal and non lethal.
the knife has less options but is highly more lethal.
another point on closing the gap. even those highly trained, such as a few of the db have difficulty sidestepping or avoiding the clinch with full powered stickhits to the head and rest of the body.

2.is that last paragraph boastful or experience? as a boxer i am sure you have fought several times with a broken hand(s), ribs or facial fracture. if it was for your life i am sure you would consider it an acceptable loss if it allowed you to get your work done then win.
with regards to fighting a stick no i am not talking about a finger break, but about fractures to the arm and ribs. i work in the emergency field so know a few things about what someone can and can't do with a fracture, including compound/open fractures. a solid thrust from a tonfa will break ribs and stop most people, but your transition from long range stick s you try to hit him on the crash to short range weapon will allow the knifer to get in with his knife in the midsection and his non weapon arm overhooking your weapon arm.

3.yes. as i said a stick hit is about mindset and pain tolerance. on mindset, i will be determined to get my opponent, highly motivated, because if i lose then i will likely die along with my family.
pain tolerance, eatting a stick and eatting a punch can be similar in that with experience comes confidence knowing you can take them.
i also doubt you will carry your tonfa around the same places i am likely to carry a 4inch folder. if that was the case then i'd just use a machete and you your katana.

i don't understand your last statement about 99-1.

i also think you should see for yourself. make yourself a padded knife and a padded tonfa. then spar. pvc pipe, pipe insulation and duct tape. if the knifer gets inside and two thrusts off the tonfa loses. if the tonfa gets 2 headshots or knee or combo of above or two thrusts he wins. this also includes strikes to the weapon arm/hand. 1strike on the weapon arm from either opponent means they win as it could equate to a fracture or cut. try this in an open field and try in a ring.

technically, arnis/escrima is supposed to represent machete fighting, so you're kind of fucked if your sword is bigger than my knife.

it seems like the argument at hand is blunt trauma vs. laceration/puncture. Kali sticks are supposed to have a small end protruding out of your pinky side for grappling. If you have the skill, you should be able to take on a knife fighter.

In general, I'd say the range of a stick makes it more effective at controlling distance.

Also, you're visualization of bumrushing somebody is idiotic. Here's what will happen: you rush me, I either judo throw you or step to the side and smack his knee. A blunt weapon is used to first control the opponent, and second to cause trauma. It's like the jab- control the pace and set up for the power cross-- same concept.

If you look at any of the good stick/knife fighters, they work the angles and have amazing footwork. Bumrushing will only make you look like a fool.