Beware "Appeasement" - Page 4

blanko · 04-15-2007, 12:52 AM

no it is not.

krnguy03 · 04-15-2007, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by blanko

you are getting mugged. USUALLY it means that someone has a weapon pulled on you (usually a gun) and is aming at you. Don't try to play cowboy. You think it's easy to shoot someone? YOu think its easy to kill someone even if your life is in danger?

yes it is easy to shoot someone when it is them or you.. and it is easy to kill someone when they are trying to kill you... kill or be killed.. is there any other choice?? and when i killed someone it was because they were trying to kill me or one of my buddies next to me.. and i can live with myself knowing that.. i can sleep at night without a problem...

blanko · 04-15-2007, 05:56 AM

first, i need to know if you had any training.

XTrainer · 04-15-2007, 06:51 AM

Obviously he has, because he's a soldier (or a Marine, forgive me, can't remember). And obviously, it's possible to shoot someone even if you don't have training (see article). This is not an endorsement for people to use weapons without training, but you are being absolutely ridiculous.

XTrainer · 04-15-2007, 06:55 AM

I will ask again: Do you have something against guns? To suggest that firearms are not a viable tool for self defense is beyond ludicrous.

blanko · 01:56 PM

no i do not have anything "against" guns. I did not say that firearms are not a "viable tool for self defence". One example would be that you hear someone trying to break in to your house or someone is in your house. You have your weapon already drawn when you are face to face with your would be mugger. That and pulling your gun out of your holster, aiming and shooting while someone has a gun pointed at you are two complletely different things. So let's not put words in my mouth and actually read what i write.

Bamaispriceless · 02:15 PM

There is a line here. If you believe that you can fight back with a high percentage of success and survival, then do it. Shoot the sob.

However, most of the time you will not be able to win. Criminals know their game...they aren't going to do something unless every chip is stacked in their favor. If there is mutliple assailants, then give them your money and run. Drawing your weapon, aiming it, and firing can take 4-6 seconds. It takes the mugger 1-2 seconds to pull the trigger (usually applying 5-7lbs of force or less). Remember, the criminal has taken the initiative and will almost always have the advantage. Owning a gun and knowing how to use it will not make a difference if the mugger has a .45 pointed at your face and is asking for you money, or worse, there are two muggers with .45's pointed at your face.

The absolute best way to defeat muggers is by not giving them a chance to mug you. How do you do that?

Avoid bad areas. Do you think I am going to wander around in a high crime area at night? Heck no, absolutely not. Even if I'm packing, the criminal will have the initiative and probably friends to back him up.

Do not wander around near dark alleys. This is another obvious one.

Try to stay in well lit areas, near others. Most criminals are not going to attack you unless you are out by yourself in dark areas.

Look around and see who is around you. Yes, profile...I'm not even talking black/white/hispanic/asian, I'm saying you see that dude over there who looks rough, might want to avoid him. That dude who keeps looking at you while you walk to your car? Could be a mugger. That guy who is following you? Possibly a mugger.

XTrainer · 04-15-2007, 05:00 PM

At any rate, this thread has already expanded far beyond it's orginal message. I restate again:

"When dealing with a criminal, you cannot expect to give up X and receive Y."

How you choose to incorporate that into your own training and strategies is up to you. I'm just cautioning against the idea that all criminals think like we do, and will give you something in exchange for you surrendering something.

blanko · 04-16-2007, 12:12 AM

no one is saying that giving someone your wallet/watch money will guarantee anything. What I am saying is that it's not a bad idea to try to diffuse a situation. What those people you mention did was the right thing. They opened up the chance that they will only get mugged, unfortunately for them it wasn't the case. However, IMHO the smart thing to do is not to esculate the situation but to try to diffuse it by compliance. If you resist against a man that has a weapon drawn and aimed at you then you are not even giving yourself that chance.

Bamaispriceless · 04-16-2007, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by XTrainer

At any rate, this thread has already expanded far beyond it's orginal message. I restate again:

"When dealing with a criminal, you cannot expect to give up X and receive Y."

How you choose to incorporate that into your own training and strategies is up to you. I'm just cautioning against the idea that all criminals think like we do, and will give you something in exchange for you surrendering something.

I know criminals, and I know that all I can be assured of is that I have no idea what or how they think. In a mugging, it's all about percentages. I have a much higher chance of success if I give up my wallet then try and shoot the other guy, given the fact that he has done his homework and gotten me in a bad spot (and the fact that he is pointed a high powered pistol in my face). Also, me and you are not trained in combat shooting. This is a high risk, super high adrenaline situation here. OK, a little incite. In Chuck Pharrer's book "Warrior Soul", about his life in the SEAL Teams, he talks about some of the training in DEVGRU. One of the exercises was to have your pistol holstered, with your back against two targets, with hands raised...they would unolster their pistol, and double tap both targets...the best time was 4.5 seconds. These are freakin' Tier 1 operators, we are Teenagers. Not saying you aren't a great shot, as I'm sure you shoot often like I do. However, in certain situations, not even some of the highest trained operators on earth could win. The best thing to do is give up your wallet, and run like hell or stay calm most of the time. If you have a chance to take a shot with a high percent of success, then do it. But most of the time, most muggers only want you cash and do not want to shoot you. It is much tougher to catch a mugger than a murderer. They know that, and they do not want to face life in jail.