[xtalman]

Originally Posted by nekopanfan

i train pekiti tirsia kali, which roughly translates as close quarters combat.

Can you tell me where you train? I live in Austin too.

[KOnah]

Originally Posted by GCSD Fighter

Even if you are highly practiced at knife defences, you probably still only have a 5% chance of surviving an attack by someone proficient with a blade. That still doesn't stop me from training for this; 5% is better than 0%.

Yeah I don't see the Krav knife or guns defenses as much use vs someone who flat wants to kill you, running and finding cover is the best option there. But against someone who wants to rob or kidnap you or someone your with? They could be, for sure.

[fightclub1005]

Aikido, i do self defense with knifes we actully go all out also full speed. Its hard tho, the only reason why some arts seem liek they go with to restience the move can break something an arm or something...

[peregrine]

this thread is still going on?
lol.

I highly doubt aikido will work against someone who is on crack and looking to put 50holes in your chest. The rare instances that i think it will work is if the aikido man has put in 10-30years in his art and practiced against people really trying to cut him, not some slow randori. Maybe "O sensei" could do it, but not the normal aikido person.


Aikido may work in the case of someone holding a knife to threaten you or someone else, but not against someone who is jacked up on drugs looking to shank you prison style.
Well if you consider being stabbed 3-8times before you throw him then you could say it works. But tell me where in your body you're willing to get perforated? and if you'll still be able to throw them after being stabbed. maybe. maybe not.

[IronShogun.]

Seriously running or pulling a gun are your best options. Krav maga seems to train the most practical defenses but I seriously doubt the ability of an unarmed person who is trained in this situation. but i give that trained person a better chance.

[NinjaKilla187]

Originally Posted by Gregster

INteresting.



1) Are they really over-used? IN your jurisdiction, or others?
2) Do cops like them?
3) How well do they work?
4) How bad does it really suck to get tased? I'm pretty sure all cops get tased once before they get signed off by their departments to carry one; every cop I know who'se carried one says it sucks, but not bad enough to cause some of the hysterical reactions one sees in a lot of the dash-cam videos from police traffic stops that end in someone getting zapped.

P.S. I got an ASP that goes with me in my car everywhere; an extended, 2-hand model. I love it.

1) Are they really over-used? IN your jurisdiction, or others?
Not overused. The best tool LE has since, well, maybe EVER.

2) Do cops like them?
Cops LOVE, LOVE, LOVE them.

3) How well do they work?
They work great, especially against drunk/drugged/deranged offenders that OC, Batons and Pain Compliance. don't work on

4) How bad does it really suck to get tased?
It really really sucks, for a short time. The recovery come pretty quick.

[bulldogs85]

Originally Posted by vern_Fonk

or is the knife attack scenario just far to unpredictable to successfully train for. has there been actual evidence/stories of people who have used such arts as kali, krav, systema to successfully disarm a person? in a lot of the videos i see of these arts, the people are drilling endlessly, but there is little to no resistance at all. can the knife attack scenario be actually something we can train for? i mean there are soooooo many ways someone can attack you with the blade. its not like boxing where you have the jab, cross, hook, upper cut or muay thai with the elbows + knees, kicks. if someone really wanted to cut you up they can slash you from any angle and stab you from any angle with any sort of method. basically, if someone just bum rushes you with a machete or k-bar and you have no where to run, are you pretty much fucked?

The PD's I've worked for don't spend a lot of time on disarming a knife, and no time at all on fighting with a knife (actually not allowed by most dept's- use gun or non-lethal, never a knife, to attack). If a guy has a knife, don't waste time trying to disarm him. A knife is deadly force authorized, period. Use the gun.

[bulldogs85]

Originally Posted by NinjaKilla187

1) Are they really over-used? IN your jurisdiction, or others?
Not overused. The best tool LE has since, well, maybe EVER.

2) Do cops like them?
Cops LOVE, LOVE, LOVE them.

3) How well do they work?
They work great, especially against drunk/drugged/deranged offenders that OC, Batons and Pain Compliance. don't work on

4) How bad does it really suck to get tased?
It really really sucks, for a short time. The recovery come pretty quick.

Lucky!! We don't get tasers. They won't let us have them. Afraid of lawsuits. Oh well, at least I don't have to get tased in training!!

Good point about OC though. That stuff isn't much worse than Taco Bell's hottest hot sauce, IMO. Hardly affected me at all, and that took about 15 minutes to kick in.

[BigRedman]

Very Interesting!

[Glenn Siegel]

yes simiulate knife fights with highlighters. You end up marked, you end up cut. Or have real knife fights and grow better as you do not die.