Save
Random Shot: 
 

Welcome to the Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

 

Go Back  Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums > Fight Discussion > The Contenders: Worldwide MMA: > Why fedor DEFINETLY CAN ( and most likely will ) beat Tim Syliva

Reply
 
Sherdog Forums
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 05-03-2008, 11:24 PM   #1 (permalink)

Brown Belt
 
Croatia_K1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Croatia
Posts: 2,769
Status: Croatia_K1 is offline
Why fedor DEFINETLY CAN ( and most likely will ) beat Tim Syliva

Ok I'll do my best to break this fight down with as little bias as possible. When you see any post by GooberTaylor or Seano, you don't have to read it to know its definetly bullshit in more ways then one.


Wrestling
This one IMO goes into Fedor's favour, you don't have to be a NCAA champ or be a college wrestler ( since there is no college wrestling in russia ) to have a good credential here. Fedor is a Sambo world champion and by just watching him fight you can see he has great technique and control on how he throws his opponent and which position he lands in. Combined with both fighters sizes I give Fedor an advantage. Personally I think he has more strength then Tim Sylvia and better balance. When he gets in close to grab Tim there is no reason why he wouldn't be able to throw him.


Striking
Fedor gets a nod on this one too.. Just joking, Tim's got an advantage here but not as big of an advantage as people think. If this was a pure kickboxing match then Tim would be the favorite IMO. Reach and Power are in his advantage, Fedor probably has more speed, but the thing with Fedor is, he doesn't strike to KO. If you watch his fights you'll agree that he strikes to keep his opponent backing up until he can grab them for the throw. He is always setting things up. But in general aspect of striking, Tim's got the advantage here.

Takedown Defense
For those people saying Fedor won't be able to take Tim down, I think you are wrong, Fedor gets everybody down. Tim has pretty good TDD but Mirko's is even better and Fedor still managed to take him down and beat him. The question is, can Tim KO Fedor for the short time that this fight will be on their feet. I don't think he will. Why? Tim isn't an aggresive striker. He won't go rushing forward trying to score the KO, I think Fedor will push the pace and control this fight.

Reaction and Recovery
I think Fedor has an advantage here for both of these, his reactions are extremely fast and his recovery is even better. He got randleplexed and that shot Fujita landed and he recovered extremely fast from both. Normally when a fighter is rocked like that its over pretty soon after, most fighters lack recovery time.

Cage or Ring
Fedor has the advantage in the ring, Tim has the advantage in the cage. Simple as that

Rules
For those people saying if they use UFC-style rules where elbows are allowed on the ground that will give Tim an advantage IMO is wrong. Tim won't be looking to take Fedor down for any GnP . Fedor is too dangerous of his back, Tim will keep this fight standing. But if Fedor does take tim down and gets on Top, expect some deadly GnP.

Chin, Cutting
Who's chin is better, I'll say they are equal, Goober Taylor said in the other thread Tim has an unbeleivable chin because those haymakers by Arlovski would have put anyone on their ass. Somebody responded '' theres thing guy, mark.. whats his name... he took a kick from cro cop to the head and shook it off '' Goober responded by saying Andre punches harder then Mirko kicks. If thats not bias then nothing is. I think both fighters can be knocked out. Fedor's chin hasn't really been tested too much. As for the cutting issue, Fedor is at a disadvantage here, he bruises and cuts very easily.

Submissions
Submission defense goes to Fedors advantage but he won't be defending submissions anyways, he'll be the one trying to apply them. I think Fedor is on the same level as Nog when it comes to submissions. Nog gets alot of credit because submissions are his only strength. Fedor is a complete fighter and this gets overlooked alot. They have both submitted guy who aren't too good with submission defense. Neither of them have submitted a good BJJ guy but for someone with weak submission defense like Tim, Fedor should be able to submit him relativley easy if he can get him to the ground.

Mental Aspect
I think both fighters will be evenly nervous here, Fedor is trying to keep his legacy alive. And Tim is trying to get the upset. Neither will come in brimming with confidence thinking the other guy is easy. Fedor respects all his opponents and prepares equally for everyone. I'm sure Tim won't underestimate him either. Perhaps Fedor has even more pressure on him since Tim has nothing to lose. He is fighting the guy that nobody has beat yet. Nobody is expecting too much from him. So Timmy perhaps has the advantage here.

Conditioning
Can't really tell who has better conditioning. Fedor did chase Cro cop around the ring for 3 rounds and he runs like 10 miles every day so don't judge a book by its cover he is pretty fit. I'm sure tim will come prepared into the fight also.



My prediction. First round Arm bar or RNC by Fedor.


Again anything can happen in a fight. Tim could land the first punch of the night and knock Fedor out, Nothing is impossible but some things are highly improbable, such as Tim winning here IMO.

Most people are putting this fight at 50/50. I'll put it at 75/25 in Fedor's favour, Thats not me taking anything away from Tim, I would give some other fighters maybe even less of a chance, Fedor-Cc 80/20 Fedor Nog 90/10 Fedor Randy 65/35 ( mainly because of Randy's strength, wrestling, conditioning, and gameplanning )
__________________
Face facts.

Fedor > A.Silva P4P

Tim Sylvia is NOT A GOOD STRIKER. HMC > Sylvia

Mark Hunt needs to retire

Rich Franklin = #1 product of the UFC hype machine
Croatia_K1 is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote

Old 05-04-2008, 12:16 AM   #2 (permalink)

Brown Belt
 
Croatia_K1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Croatia
Posts: 2,769
Status: Croatia_K1 is offline
no love for the truth
__________________
Face facts.

Fedor > A.Silva P4P

Tim Sylvia is NOT A GOOD STRIKER. HMC > Sylvia

Mark Hunt needs to retire

Rich Franklin = #1 product of the UFC hype machine
Croatia_K1 is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 12:16 AM   #3 (permalink)

Orange Belt
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 306
Status: cobracore is offline
i would make it 90/10 in the sense that if they fought 10 times, fedor would win 9 times, but i would say for the first fight Tim has a 30 % chance to pull it off.

Fedor is the favourite, but don't count Tim out, and if the odds are good, bet on timmeh.
__________________
www.mmamatters.com - the best source for opinion, predictions, and MMA GIFS
cobracore is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 12:17 AM   #4 (permalink)
Big Tim fan for life!
 
Goober Taylor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 3,160
Status: Goober Taylor is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by Croatia_K1 View Post
Chin, Cutting
Who's chin is better, I'll say they are equal, Goober Taylor said in the other thread Tim has an unbeleivable chin because those haymakers by Arlovski would have put anyone on their ass. Somebody responded '' theres thing guy, mark.. whats his name... he took a kick from cro cop to the head and shook it off '' Goober responded by saying Andre punches harder then Mirko kicks. If thats not bias then nothing is. I think both fighters can be knocked out. Fedor's chin hasn't really been tested too much. As for the cutting issue, Fedor is at a disadvantage here, he bruises and cuts very easily.
My point about Andrei's punch (on Tim in the second fight) > Mirko's head kick on Hunt is that Andrei landed that punch with everything he had behind it RIGHT ON THE BUTTON. The Mirko/Mark kick (while impressive) didn't have everything behind it that Mirko could have put on it, and it didn't land on the chin (more of where the neck and shoulders meet). If Hunt had been hit by that punch of Andrei's, he would've took a seat just like Tim did. You guys try to hype some people WAY too much. While Hunt has a great chin, he is human and can be KO'd if he is hit with the right punch by the right guy. Anybody can.

Anyways....



Don't have gif of the Andrei/Tim 2 punch but here is the vid: Tim/AA2
__________________
Big Tim quotes...

"I don't have sex before a fight...that means I don't pleasure myself either."
"I'm the oldest right now that I've ever been."
"I've had sex before with the belt on. "
Goober Taylor is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 12:22 AM   #5 (permalink)

Brown Belt
 
charcolechaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: AA member since 94!
Posts: 2,613
Status: charcolechaddy is offline
Except Nog, he is not human
__________________
Yes i know i cant spell!
charcolechaddy is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 12:23 AM   #6 (permalink)

Brown Belt
 
charcolechaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: AA member since 94!
Posts: 2,613
Status: charcolechaddy is offline
All i know is goober will own the boards if Tim wins!
__________________
Yes i know i cant spell!
charcolechaddy is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 12:34 AM   #7 (permalink)

Brown Belt
 
Big_luse86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,714
Status: Big_luse86 is offline
I think Tims going to win ... Fedor hasnt been tested, pushed, or fought someone as good as Tim in ages.

I think Fedor will gas if this fights exceeds 3 rounds also. *see Nog fight 3- Fedor gets tired.
__________________
"PRIDE is dead, let the DREAM live on!"
Always a nuthugger of:

1)Randy
2)Tito
3)Wand
4)GSP
5)Ramapge
6)Randleman
7)Arlovski
8)BJ Penn
9)Cro Cop
10)Nog
Big_luse86 is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 12:37 AM   #8 (permalink)

Orange Belt
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 273
Status: nated0g43 is offline
Send a message via AIM to nated0g43
The punch wasn't that hard considering Tim popped right back up.
__________________
War Matt Gaines!
nated0g43 is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 12:38 AM   #9 (permalink)

Orange Belt
 
frat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 473
Status: frat is offline
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goober Taylor View Post
My point about Andrei's punch (on Tim in the second fight) > Mirko's head kick on Hunt is that Andrei landed that punch with everything he had behind it RIGHT ON THE BUTTON. The Mirko/Mark kick (while impressive) didn't have everything behind it that Mirko could have put on it, and it didn't land on the chin (more of where the neck and shoulders meet). If Hunt had been hit by that punch of Andrei's, he would've took a seat just like Tim did. You guys try to hype some people WAY too much. While Hunt has a great chin, he is human and can be KO'd if he is hit with the right punch by the right guy. Anybody can.

Anyways....



Don't have gif of the Andrei/Tim 2 punch but here is the vid: Tim/AA2
watch their k1 fight. crocop lands a LHK flush. and although hunt goes down, he regains composure and fights. '

absolutely absurd to say andrei punches hard than crocop kicks.
__________________
HW: mark hunt, fedor, barnett, frye
LHW: rampage, babalu, manhoef
MW: anderson silva, kang
WW: gsp
LW: penn, genki, kid yamamoto
frat is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2008, 12:39 AM   #10 (permalink)

Blue Belt
 
Douglas Mafia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Douglas Island, Alaska
Posts: 540
Status: Douglas Mafia is offline
tim's getting his ass handed to him by fedor.
__________________
I'm mean nasty and tired. I eat concertina wire and piss napalm and I can put a round trough a flea's ass at 200 meters. So you go hump somebody else's leg mudface before I push yours in-Gunny Highway
Douglas Mafia is offline  | 
 
   
Reply With Quote

Reply



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:57 PM.


Powered by vBulletin Version {1. Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008 Sherdog.com | Privacy Policy | Click here to advertise on Sherdog