So where is M-1 in all of this?

[woodlanddog]

Originally Posted by DaChknAndDaRice

I hope, for Strikeforce's sake, that you're right and that Coker looked a few steps ahead before agreeing to this.

Because Affliction didn't and neither did BodogFIGHT. All they saw was name recognition and how they needed it to make themselves seem legit.

The problem is when the losses start to roll in and then all of a sudden M-1 Global is nowhere to be found when they are supposed to share the losses.

Indeed, instead, they turn around and then sue them.

Strikeforce's main source of business is promoting fights. BoDog's was gambling, Affliction's was t-shirts. Affliction made back their money by selling the video library from the two shows they put on. Atencio knew they could recoup their losses all along by becoming friendly once more with the UFC. That was his backup plan all along.

Comparing Strikeforce to the other failed promotions is not a good comparison. BoDog was losing money well before the single Russian-promoted event with Fedor. Affliction's fall had nothing to do with Fedor. Paying Tim Sylvia $800,000 wasn't the smartest idea either.

Let this Strikeforce thing playout. I'm sure we will all congratulate you on your great predictive/analytical skills if it turns out that Strikeforce's relationship with M-1 was a negative.

Maybe you could focus your attention on the oppressive contracts from ZUFFA for a change. Legal analysts, reporters, fighters, etc. have spoken out about them. Couture for one has talked extensively about them in interviews. He is also the only UFC fighter with rights to his own name/likeness. I would advise doing some research on them before posting though. Your rants against M-1 show you know nothing of the contracts relating to the "co-promotional" efforts. They have spoken of the contractual terms in various interviews. One would think a normal intellectual would read up on those before forming such a strong opinion on the issue.

[chem31]

Coker has made it clear what M-1 is doing for this card. They are providing Fedor, staying out of Strikeforce's way with regards to promotion in North America, and bringing in TV/distribution deals from around the globe (Japan, Russia, Korea, the UK, etc...) through connections that Strikeforce wouldn't have had without their help.

[Arzachel]

M-1 is promoting this card in the Netherlands (and i'm assuming in other countries outside of the US) and they offer a PPV, through another company, for only $6.

[maximmm]

Originally Posted by WimpLo

Ok let's go by your logic. UFC 100 would never have been able to get the pay per views without Brock Lesnar, so Brock Lesnar's manager should get half the profits.

Despite the fact that UFC puts up all the money for the fighters, promotions, and having to deal with the payperview network. M-1 doesn't do shit, they did not put up the advertisements, they don't pay Fedor and they sure as hell DID NOT GET THAT DEAL WITH CBS. You actually think Vadim had any meeting , let alone discussion with the president of CBS?

I think it was made clear that M-1 would pay half the production costs/fighter fees, and get half the profits, if any profits are in fact made. Yes, they have enough money to cover such costs, if only through the money made through Fedor in the past (Fedor partially finances M-1 by being a co-owner of the company).

Yes, they are in many ways using Strikeforce in order to make money. Strikeforce is an established brand/company. They have the experience and means of promoting fights/events. If M-1 decided to do their own events, they would be taking big risks.

All in all, M-1/Fedor profits from this to a greater degree, but Strikeforce is getting a lot more publicity due to Fedor's presence. Strikeforce agreed to the deal knowing where the risks lie and knowing what the benefits of such a deal may be. They decided that they'd benefit much more in the long run.

Don't bring UFC into this because UFC is not part of a deal, and UFC screws the fans and fighters all the time. You're a huge fan of UFC brand, I get that, but this is not about UFC.

[SavageAcE]

M1 is doing what they said they were gonna do when Strikeforce made a deal with them....their not cheating anybody!

[maximmm]

Originally Posted by svslider

If promoters cant profit millions off a fedor fight its their own fault. For example- this fight card has been promoted really crapily. Hopefully lots of people watch on tv?

I must say, I'm actually surprised how well this has been advertised, as opposed to any other organization that Fedor joined in the past (other than Pride, but they had a TV deal). There are several ads which have been broadcast on CBS during peak hours (NFL broadcasts for ex.) and millions of people have seen them. This was not the case with previous organizations. The half hour promotional documentary also had very high production values and is bound to peak the interest in this fight in many people as well. I think you'll be surprised how many people will turn in to watch this event.
Of course, if Fedor wins in a spectacular fashion, the next CBS broadcast will bring in even greater numbers.

[WimpLo]

Originally Posted by maximmm

I think it was made clear that M-1 would pay half the production costs/fighter fees, and get half the profits, if any profits are in fact made. Yes, they have enough money to cover such costs, if only through the money made through Fedor in the past (Fedor partially finances M-1 by being a co-owner of the company).

Don't bring UFC into this because UFC is not part of a deal, and UFC screws the fans and fighters all the time. You're a huge fan of UFC brand, I get that, but this is not about UFC.

M-1 paying half of the costs? Half of the cost of what? Only their fighters? Certainly not half the cost of EVERYTHING like a co promotion should be.

Show a link. That's just bullshit right there.

BTW I'm a huge fan of MMA in general, and you can nut hug M-1 all you want they are not good for the sport.

[The Brainiac]

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They got a deal with biggest free TV channel is Russia which I believe airs in many other countries , seems good to me . Click on play to see the promo .