I am sick of ppl saying Aoki is overated

[Twistedbydesign]

Originally Posted by steveflynn

I guess if the fight stayed standing for a longer amount of time he "might have" gotten demolished by Alvarez standing, however the fight didn't stay upwards longer and from what evidence we have of the standing portion of that fight it's only fair to say that interpolated the evidence would lead to the conclusion that Aoki didn't get mutilated standing against Alvarez, and thus far there's no indication that he would.

Come on now, Hansen didn't shit kick Aoki standing in any of the fights (even though I guess it depends on your definition of what exactly that entails).

He might get eviscerated standing against Hirota, but thus far the evidence proves this to not be correct in the sense that any thing other than conjecture will not suffice.

- Come on, dude. What has Aoki shown in his 'striking' that would indicate that if he decided to stay standing, and trade with Eddie, he wouldnt get KO'd beyond belief? He tried with Nakao and got fuckin bent. Aoki does well taking guys down, and thats fine, but theres a reason why HE was chasing Eddie around on his ass, and DIDNT wanna stand.

- I guess turning your back whilst your opponent punches your head equals an even striking match? lol

- Again, why did Aoki go right for the takedown? Likely because its a fuckin wise gameplan to use against someone like Hirota. And again, what has Aoki shown that would indicate he would even mark up Hirota's face? Aoki has some of the most pathetic, noodle-armed GNP in MMA. Watch it and see. You might say "but he shut Jung's eye in that fight"..yeah, with constant fuckin eye pokes hahah.

Also, over articulating your sentences just makes you come off as a pompous d-bag. Just somethin to think about haha.

[Fahrenheit1221]

Aoki is overrated, that doesn't mean he's not a stud or a submission wizard and he showed slightly improved stand-up against Ribeiro. I want to see him improve but a part of me thinks he lacks the power to properly compete at lightweight and welterweight for him is a joke. *cue the Sakurai gif*

[TheSKSpecial]

Originally Posted by GHOST113X

He's overrated, because he can't fight without those nylon pants he has. In the US where those are illegal you'd have to assume he would not be nearly as effective. I'm guessing if Aoki did sign with the UFC he would lose to Penn without a doubt. But i'm guessing there are some other guys who stand a VERY good chance of beating him as well. Hell, i'm guessing if Aoki goes to Strikeforce he would even lose to Gilbert Melendez.

He's not going to dominate and sub everyone he fights in UFC like he does over in Japan. On top of all that his striking is extremely poor and has not developed at all. As long as he fights in Japan people will continue to question him. He's one dimensional and UFC is not a great place to suceed if you are a one dimensional fighter.

[steveflynn]

Originally Posted by Twistedbydesign

- Come on, dude. What has Aoki shown in his 'striking' that would indicate that if he decided to stay standing, and trade with Eddie, he wouldnt get KO'd beyond belief? He tried with Nakao and got fuckin bent. Aoki does well taking guys down, and thats fine, but theres a reason why HE was chasing Eddie around on his ass, and DIDNT wanna stand.

- I guess turning your back whilst your opponent punches your head equals an even striking match? lol

- Again, why did Aoki go right for the takedown? Likely because its a fuckin wise gameplan to use against someone like Hirota. And again, what has Aoki shown that would indicate he would even mark up Hirota's face? Aoki has some of the most pathetic, noodle-armed GNP in MMA. Watch it and see. You might say "but he shut Jung's eye in that fight"..yeah, with constant fuckin eye pokes hahah.

Also, over articulating your sentences just makes you come off as a pompous d-bag. Just somethin to think about haha.

Well, coming from a self professed Aoki hater you couldn't possibly be as pessimistic as possible about him could you?

Of course Hansen brutally finished him with ground and pound in their second fight, but if we're then to chalk that up as one fighter being superior over another in a striking match (when striking matches are contested on the feet) I guess you're correct, even though not a lot of people would consider Sergei outstriking Schilt in their fight, or Overeem outstriking Sergei in their first fight.

And I never once necessarily said Aoki would win a striking matchup against Alvarez, I was merely signifying that they've fought once and their bout was contested for a decent amount of time on the feet, and gleaming from the information we have of that it's kind of absurd to calculate that Aoki would "automatically get crushed" if the bout were to have remained standing for a longer duration of time.

And again, to say that if he stood with Hirota for any allotted amount of time he'd get crushed is extremely disingenuous to say, considering they've already fought and in the brief interlude of time spent on the feet nothing happened to Aoki, and Aoki's been finished only one time standing and that was in either his third or forth pro fight against Jutaro Nakao, and since then he's fought JZ twice, Alvarez, Hansen thrice and Hirota and hasn't gotten knocked out standing or even really badly hurt standing. So automatically assuming in one of his fights if the fight were to remain standing that he'd for sure get brutally dispatched is way overly lacking much basis for the claim and is going into just a hatermode.

[shooberto]

Originally Posted by Fire666

I am seeing a lot of people saying Aoki stand up sucks.... and he would get murdered by BJ , get KO'd by florian, Sherk etc.........

These stupid fans who made these stupid comments are so dumb that they don't understand every fighter that Aoki fought already knew they had to stand up and avoid the ground game. But in the end every one of them get submitted ON the ground.

Aoki's head is not stationary -..-...... he competes in competition's where knees and soccer kicks are allowed to the ground opponent. And people call that a easier competition??? I think the UFC is the easier competition with UPKICKs to the head not even allowed! lol.

Can;t believe there are so many noob mma fans who have one dimensional thinking.

There is a reason why 95% of the mma websites rank him as No.2 in the world. Use your common sense and stop saying Aoki is overrated.

If you every sparred in a gym or fought before, it's actually not that easy to land a big punch to a person's head.

And Im sick of stupid threads like this

[steveflynn]

Originally Posted by shooberto

And Im sick of stupid threads like this

In all honesty threads such as these clearly are outweighed by threads proclaiming his overratedness.

[mummer43]

Add me to the list of people who think he's overrated.

[Twistedbydesign]

Originally Posted by steveflynn

Well, coming from a self professed Aoki hater you couldn't possibly be as pessimistic as possible about him could you?

Of course Hansen brutally finished him with ground and pound in their second fight, but if we're then to chalk that up as one fighter being superior over another in a striking match (when striking matches are contested on the feet) I guess you're correct, even though not a lot of people would consider Sergei outstriking Schilt in their fight, or Overeem outstriking Sergei in their first fight.

And I never once necessarily said Aoki would win a striking matchup against Alvarez, I was merely signifying that they've fought once and their bout was contested for a decent amount of time on the feet, and gleaming from the information we have of that it's kind of absurd to calculate that Aoki would "automatically get crushed" if the bout were to have remained standing for a longer duration of time.

And again, to say that if he stood with Hirota for any allotted amount of time he'd get crushed is extremely disingenuous to say, considering they've already fought and in the brief interlude of time spent on the feet nothing happened to Aoki, and Aoki's been finished only one time standing and that was in either his third or forth pro fight against Jutaro Nakao, and since then he's fought JZ twice, Alvarez, Hansen thrice and Hirota and hasn't gotten knocked out standing or even really badly hurt standing. So automatically assuming in one of his fights if the fight were to remain standing that he'd for sure get brutally dispatched is way overly lacking much basis for the claim and is going into just a hatermode.

You're clearly not adressing the fact that Aoki took them down, or chased them around (Eddie) on his ass. Why? Because its a good gameplan. If he thought he could bang with them (being as arrogant as Aoki is), he would have. No doubt about it.

Secondly - what has Aoki EVER DONE in a fight that would suggest that his striking isn't piss-fucking-poor? A fight with Shaolin? What about his weak GNP? When Jung didn't defend the punches and took them square on the jaw without even blinking - well, thats an idication he punches like a fruitcake. Also, Eddie, Hirota, Hansen have all knocked guys out standing, or dropped guys with ease. Not to mention the Hirota and Hansen have great chins. Hansen even dropped Boku (I know he was dropped in his last fight, too), who has some of the best boxing in MMA, despite being having pillow hands.

I fuckin hate Aoki, but I've never once discredited him on his abilities...that being said, his striking is shitty.

[randomg1t]

Originally Posted by windkick

works both ways, trolls are welcomed with open arms in the Heavies forum as long as they trash non UFC fighters

trolls can go fuck themselves.

i love japanese mma, i think kawajiri and aoki would wreck shit in the ufc, but there is no doubt in my mind penn is the greatest LW in the history of the sport and would rape everyone in DREAM just as he is raping everyone in the ufc.

MMA IS ABOUT THE FIGHTERS, NOT THE FUCKING ORGS.

except shooto. shooto trumps all.

[1fletch**]

Originally Posted by BJJ_Rage

hmmm... So demian maia GEtting ko by Nate means he sucks and cant handle big ass wrestlers??? last time I checked, he just subbed a huge wrestler like sonnen... IS AS a huuuuuuge wrestler??? because last thime I chcked, when he fought a great wrestler like hendo, he subbed his ass... is BJ penn a huuuuge wrestler??? is Jose aldo a huuuuge wrestler (though hes WEC), because the las time I checked, he beat the living crap out of another huuuuge american hard hitting wrestler... are Lyoto Machida or Shogun (who should be the champ) huuuuge wrestlers??? this wrestler shit has me by the balls... and by the way, aoki him self is a huuuge LW.. just because hes skinny doesnt mean hes undersize, he used to be shootos 168 champ, thats the weight that bj came to fight fought GSP the 2 time...

So full of epic win

Face it - yanks love wrestling, UFC is filled with wrestlers, Aoki is hated, thus all the american UFC wrestlers such as Maynard, Sherk, Florian, Guida would easily crush Aoki



Ignoring the skill of Aoki, and level of comp in Japan of course........