[missioncontrol]

Amen

[stpierrefan619]

[quote=sh00ky;15439213]For everybody on this thread badmouthing the soldiers or trying to downplay what Ben is saying... I would like to see you spend even one month in the streets of any Iraqi city and then come back and say exactly what you have been posting. I 100% gauruntee you would think differently, even if you still do not support the war. If it is in the name of freedom or not, when we fight over there we do it for each other and we have each others back 24/7. Every little bit of support from home helps lift morale. You don't have to support the mission, but support the soldier. Many soldiers don't even agree with the circumstances as to why we are there and many realize that the immediate freedom of america is not in jeopardy, but we still fight to come back home. It is a very complicated situation over there that only part of which gets covered in the media. (usually the stuff that sells, like bombings and body counts). Thank you again Ben and salute to all of the men over there as we speak.[/QUOTE
un fortunately.. to support the soldier IS to support the war.. and the war is WRONG.

[canadafightteam]

Originally Posted by adidasle

While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree based on a few points. First, why must the United States constantly be the police of the world only to have the world constantly remind us of how much they hate us (mostly coming from European nations). If other countries do not like the way we do things then by all means please handle all world issues on your own.

Secondly, the primary problem in Iraq is that you cannot force democracy on other nations at gunpoint as we are trying to do in Iraq. We in this country cannot handle our own problems, much less tell another country what to do. We have to solve healthcare, public schooling, the gun debate, social security, and a myriad of other problems before we can hold our political system up to the world as the one that works best.

War sucks no matter what the reason, but it is magnified when it could have been avoided altogether.

Just my opinion

You are right on many levels, but if they were to leave right now all that would accomplish would be a long cival war with money coming from countrys who would have there own alterior motives.

The only way for Iraq to move on it to be able to function free of outside interference and right now that is impossible. With so much emphsis on the War around the world America is very careful now, if they left many people would die and other countrys would move in to take what Iraq has, OIL.

[Nickm]

Originally Posted by Ben Rothwell

WOW, you are a true POS, the troops did not make the choice to go to Iraq, they just go because they have to. And I also ment respect to all or vets, like WW2. not for your freedom huh?? everyone can have an opinion, I just think yours makes no sense and really, really sucks. Its Memorial Day and you post that shit. you make me sick

WAR Ben!

I'm sad your team won't be here in Everett on Friday.

[sh00ky]

Originally Posted by stpierrefan619

Glad to see at least one other person that isnt afraid to stand up and call it like it is.

When was the last time you defended your country, or merely even voted for that matter? What makes you think you are so qualified to make such comments? (Are you merely protesting the government and the war because it is the "cool thing to do"?

[Snobelt]

Originally Posted by sh00ky

For everybody on this thread badmouthing the soldiers or trying to downplay what Ben is saying... I would like to see you spend even one month in the streets of any Iraqi city and then come back and say exactly what you have been posting. I 100% gauruntee you would think differently, even if you still do not support the war. If it is in the name of freedom or not, when we fight over there we do it for each other and we have each others back 24/7. Every little bit of support from home helps lift morale. You don't have to support the mission, but support the soldier. Many soldiers don't even agree with the circumstances as to why we are there and many realize that the immediate freedom of america is not in jeopardy, but we still fight to come back home. It is a very complicated situation over there that only part of which gets covered in the media. (usually the stuff that sells, like bombings and body counts). Thank you again Ben and salute to all of the men over there as we speak.

I didn't see anyone "badmouthing" the soldiers in this post? As a democratic America, it is just as much our duty to challenge what we believe is wrong. I 100% support the folks over there fighting the war, and 100% oppose the folks waging the war and the reasons they have chosen for being there.

To call that un-American is wrong.

[sh00ky]

[quote=stpierrefan619;15439320]

Originally Posted by sh00ky

For everybody on this thread badmouthing the soldiers or trying to downplay what Ben is saying... I would like to see you spend even one month in the streets of any Iraqi city and then come back and say exactly what you have been posting. I 100% gauruntee you would think differently, even if you still do not support the war. If it is in the name of freedom or not, when we fight over there we do it for each other and we have each others back 24/7. Every little bit of support from home helps lift morale. You don't have to support the mission, but support the soldier. Many soldiers don't even agree with the circumstances as to why we are there and many realize that the immediate freedom of america is not in jeopardy, but we still fight to come back home. It is a very complicated situation over there that only part of which gets covered in the media. (usually the stuff that sells, like bombings and body counts). Thank you again Ben and salute to all of the men over there as we speak.[/QUOTE
un fortunately.. to support the soldier IS to support the war.. and the war is WRONG.

And... you have verbal dhiarea.

[sh00ky]

(The guy who doesnt know ow to use the quote me button)

[DeadShane]

Originally Posted by stpierrefan619

save the bulls@#$.. they ARENT fighting for MY freedom... not one iraqi has EVER been a threat to me.... and where are the weapons of mass destruction??? thought so.... they are fighting for OIL plain and simple... do a little research and u will find the documents online with maps of ALL the oil fields and even WHICH american companies were going to own which areas.... now if u wanna say they are fighting for OIL... or democracy in IRAQ.. .thats one thing... but dont give me the BS about they are fighting for MY freedom... cause my freedom is NOT threatened by anyone in Iraq. have a nice day.

You are an idiot, noone in Iraq has ever been a threat to you? Perhaps you should look up the terms direct and indirect.

Example for you Jackass:
America was not directly affected by Saddam giving cash payouts to the families of suicide bombers killing innocents in Israel. We were indirectly affected due to the treaties we hold with Israel and the lack of peace in the Middle east.

[sh00ky]

Originally Posted by Snobelt

I didn't see anyone "badmouthing" the soldiers in this post? As a democratic America, it is just as much our duty to challenge what we believe is wrong. I 100% support the folks over there fighting the war, and 100% oppose the folks waging the war and the reasons they have chosen for being there.

To call that un-American is wrong.

And I never said that was "Un-American"