[machine29]

Originally Posted by Instant Legend

lol


he was also obliterated by wandy and houston

i think its a relatively fair ranking - maybe 2 slots higher would be good - keiths a little inconsistant though, at least imo

I give u Houston but losing to a focused and back to the wall HOF like Wanderlei Silva is no crime and he knocked out the Number 1 guy on this list and beat perhaps the greatest LHW of all time.


Yeah, that doesnt compare to beating Journeymen though i guess.


Im sick of this bullshit Forrest got robbed Bullshit.

Tito beat him plain and simple. If people cried for a draw fine but if that round 1 wasnt a 10-8 round, they should never ever give out a 10-8 round.

[MDEmike]

nate number 10 behind some of these people is just ridiculous...

the potential match ups made me laugh too, hughes vs kos???? yeah...

serra, danzig are missing while jardine is on here and kos is so high... wtf?

[Instant Legend]

Originally Posted by machine29

I give u Houston but losing to a focused and back to the wall HOF like Wanderlei Silva is no crime and he knocked out the Number 1 guy on this list and beat perhaps the greatest LHW of all time.


Yeah, that doesnt compare to beating Journeymen though i guess.


Im sick of this bullshit Forrest got robbed Bullshit.

Tito beat him plain and simple. If people cried for a draw fine but if that round 1 wasnt a 10-8 round, they should never ever give out a 10-8 round.

i dont really think the list is perfect - i think i would have Swick in there instead of Hamil and maybe even squeeze Leben or Davis in there too - but to me, I'm honestly not all that impressed by Jardine - dont get me wrong he gets huge props for beatin forrest and chuck, but when you looka at the chuck fight, chuck looked like shit,stunned jardine a couple times and never even attempted to finish - that fight to me looked more like a bad liddell night than a great jardine night - it reminded me of the bustamnte fight pretty much. you cant take the win away from keith - whether chuck looked incredible or awful - keith still beat him, I just think theres more behind that win than meets the eye - the forrest stopage was incredible, griffin was lookin smooth and keith just stayed tenacious, didnt give up and landed a fuckin bomb that started crazy downfall. Also keep in mind that in 4 losses, three of them were brutal destruction knockouts in under a minute - thats not an exactly reliable chin in my mind.

I dont know - while i dont agree 100% with the list, i dont think the jardine ranking is CRAZY unfair. Just my take though, i can see where you're coming from

[machine29]

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Name one TUFFEr who has BEAT the resume of guys that Jardine beat with Chuck and Forrest. Hell that Stephan Bonnar fight was even more Bullshit than Hamill/Bisping.


I dont think its fair that Jardine is penalized cause he has fought top caliber comp while these other TUffers for the most part have fought journeymen never have beens.

[Instant Legend]

Originally Posted by MDEmike

nate number 10 behind some of these people is just ridiculous...

the potential match ups made me laugh too, hughes vs kos???? yeah...

serra, danzig are missing while jardine is on here and kos is so high... wtf?

why do people buy into the danzig hype so hard? he's good - but come on - what the hell has he done in the cage thus far to warrant bein on that list? Kos/Hughes would be a slick fight -- didnt Kos talk some shit about him awhile back?

[Instant Legend]

Originally Posted by machine29

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Name one TUFFEr who has BEAT the resume of guys that Jardine beat with Chuck and Forrest. Hell that Stephan Bonnar fight was even more Bullshit than Hamill/Bisping.


I dont think its fair that Jardine is penalized cause he has fought top caliber comp while these other TUffers for the most part have fought journeymen never have beens.

well, depending on how you view the tito fight - Forrest for one - if that fight had gone his way (which i personally felt it should have) he'd have wins over Shogun, Bonnar AND Tito - but thats not how it played out though

Sanchex has beat Diaz, Florian, Allesio, Parisyan and Riggs, all pretty damn solid guys

Stevenson has some pretty good wins as well, Pellegrino, Edwards, Mishima

lebens got wins over santiago, cote, rivera, martin

swick has wins over burkman, davis, loiseau and riggs

kos has wins over hazelett, sanchez, joslin, goulet, menne

none of those guys are as huge as lidell - but i mean, they're all good wins, i see all these guys as relatively close in terms of skill and placement in their divisions, for the most part

[machine29]

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Just repeat the names of those fighters that u just mentioned beat *except Forrest although Jardine knocked his ass out and TITO did win. doesnt matter what this or that said.

Still, u are saying that Kos beating Diego SanchezDustinhazelett,Jonathan Goulette is better than knocking out Forrest Griffin and beating Chuck LIddell?

KOS fought the champ and was manhandled, best Wrestler in MMA my ass. GSP maimed him. Jardine beat the greatest arguably LHW champ of all time and knocked out the now Number 1 contender. That is as good as it gets. man should at least be 2nd.

[Chas]

Originally Posted by machine29

JESUS Christ

Keith Jardine continues to be the most disrespected UFC fighter EVER

Dude beat CHUCK the motherfucking Iceman Liddell and KO'ed Forrest and he is ranked 9th from TUF?

What a stupid Fucking list.

His last two losses were absolutely brutal KOs. Makes it hard to put him above a lot of fighters. His chin is certainly suspect.

[AndrewGolota48]

I agree that Jardine at #9 while Forrest is #1 is absurd. Jardine has fought high caliber opponents: Liddell, Wanderlei, Griffin, Gouveia, Alexander (who totally took him by surprise), Bonnar, and Whitehead.

He beat Liddell convincingly and knocked Griffin out in the first round. You can say it was a "bad Liddell" in an attempt to discredit the win, but in that case you have to admit that Forrest certainly beat a "bad Shogun" on that night (more like a fucking horrible, untrained Shogun).

I for one am not a Jardine fan and was glad to see Silva knock the fuck out of him after that cocky smirk at the staredown, but I have to give the guy credit where credit is due.

[unknown2dark]

i like the list its great that kos is number 2 i wish leben was on there though