[lockjaw211]

this thread is lame why is it a sticky?

[No Treason]

It will bring more publicity to the sport, but the quality of fighters is horrid.

[Gai Jin]

I think it has served a purpose. Hopefully, however, we'll get to the point where we can skip the reality show crap and just get to watch some fights EVERY week.

[Jon Reremy]

ya I can see where ur coming from

[no decisions]

New to this forum, but been with MMA since I saw UFC 1 live on pay-per-view. Followed through the years of the years of fighting in small rundown, arenas and internet feeds. I became a huge fan(and student) of BJJ and grappling on that 1st show. I would rather watch two great grapplers fight anyday, but if I said I didn't like knockouts I would be lying! I Guess my point is That this is MMA Not the BJJ championships. You need to be well rounded. I love a great ground game but if you get knocked out and can't use it does it really mean your better? I say TUF brings recognition to all aspects of the sport and hopefully will make it easier to find schools of all disciplines everywhere.

[starburst]

tuf kind of brought me into to mma so i have to it will help it. however. the ufc needs to bring in better fighters through tuf. we don't need another rashad evans coming into the ufc

[Rydney]

Originally Posted by Commissar

They aren't top contenders. You admitted that they are not top 10. They might be, but they're discarding proven top fighters for unproven ones.


I'm not hating on TUF. I'm bringing up facts. Sorry, but I'm not the dillusional one here.


I'm not disputing that they may potentially become top 10, because yes, they might. But right now, they are not. Period. They have not beaten top competition. It doesn't matter how good they may be, they have not beaten the correct competition to be considered top 10.


It isn't necessary. The UFC is promoting something that I don't believe is MMA. They're moving away from what MMA is supposed to be, to what uneducated fans want it to be.


... In this conversation, I am the true fan. I'm the one who appreciates pure MMA. I'm the one who would prefer the best champion, as opposed to the more entertaining one. I want Rich Franklin to prove he's the best middleweight, instead of having the one guy who deserves the shot being released. All fighters lose, so why was Ivan Salaverry released while Randy Couture was not? Salaverry is a talented up and comer, and he fought one bad fight. No base to rid of him.


No. I believe that the UFC should promote true MMA like they used to, instead of catering to a fanbase that wants blood and knockouts. Why do we want MMA in the mainstream when we're denied the top fighters? I would rather watch an underground, elitist MMA event on PPV than I would a popular, UFC event with fake champions.

Am I calling Rich Franklin a fake champion? Well, I would certainly like him to defend his belt against a worthy opponent, like Matt Lindland would have been.


What if PRIDE decides to sign Lindland, Salaverry and Trigg? By the time the UFC is mainstream, they'll only be able to sign the fighters that PRIDE no longer wants. They'll be forced to make champions out of fighters that couldn't make the cut in PRIDE.


We simply do not need MMA in the mainstream, if a one-dimensional fight like Griffin/Bonnar is already being considered the best UFC fight ever. That is not MMA. That was not a great fight. But if thats the kind of UFC you'd like, so be it. I want no part of it.


I have a better idea. How about you take Dana White's testicles out of your mouth and look at it a little bit more critically? A little bit more realistically? I know the future that you see from the UFC, but it won't happen. They'll continue to reward entertaining fighters and punish the 'boring' top fighters. They'll continue to protect their key champions, like Rich Franklin. I simply don't see much positivity from TUF due to the losses of top fighters.

But hey. Just my opinion.

This is all 100% accurate, but unfortunately the UFC is not MMA in the first place, it is a business that sells a product, and that product happens to be one form of MMA, which they can package any way they want in order to sell it for the highest profit. This is what TUF is all about, and it's working. Sports suffer from this from the "pure" performance point-of-view, and they always will. When dollars are involved a businessman (Dana White) can't let the chance of pure competition screw things up. If it's Couture/Liddell let the best man win, UFC rolls in the cash either way, but Franklin/Lindland just can't happen because Franklin is the underdog there and he's the pretty face on the Xcience commercial. Think of how loud Dana yelled "Fuck!" when Mir took his big comeback ass beating. That creates problems, but when a big time ticket draw loses to a heavy underdog Dana can't help that, but he can sure protect Franklin for someone most of us feel will beat him. I agree with you that it sucks, but it's a little like when you found out all those presents didn't come from santa clause, now you know the truth and there's no going back. Although I have no idea if the fan base will ever appreciate a fighter like Lindland enough for the sport to purify itself, I feel your pain there too because we will both likely be very old if it does happen. Grappling appreciation isn't coming back next year.

[bogarto]

the show got me hooked

[KentPeters]

I'm happy that it is getting more consideration as a real sport (not just 2 guys trying to murder each other) ... i like to think TUF is a good thing

[Rydney]

Originally Posted by lockjaw211

this thread is lame why is it a sticky?

You're an idiot simply because of your moronic stance on Bonds. Support the man all you want, nothing wrong with using whatever it takes to be the best at what you do, but don't say he never used steroids, come on man.