TUF: A Help, or a Hinderance? - Page 11

Flashfan · 11-23-2005, 03:49 PM

Bottom line TUF is bringing in more fans, who are bringing in more money, which will in turn attract better fighters.

I mean imagine the UFC could bring in Pride fighters like Fedor, Nog and CC then we would finally get to see how they would do against Arlovski. I feel that TUF will eventually allow the UFC to afford all of the best fighters and by the time they realize that the show is lowering the level of talent in ther ranks and scrap it they will have enough of a fan base so sustain a bigger roster with more talented fighters.

**Conrad** · 11-25-2005, 09:58 PM

Huge help. We are still seeing good match ups with a few "value" fights. I don't get it. Linland broke what I thought was a fair rule, plus he is an exception becuase exceapt with his baroni fights he is so damn boring to watch. Wouldn't mind him back but don't really care that much.

maximilian · 12-06-2005, 06:46 PM

Now listen...

On the hurting of the UFC I think you're absolutely right about the ufc losing its top fighters to TUF guys. Now what I didn't understand completely clear is if you agreed or disagreed with it. I'll assume that since you were talking about it on a hindering of the UFC that you disagree. With this understood I totally agree with you. Matt Lindland should just kick Diegos ass.

As for it being good for the UFC (or MMA as a whole) I think it really is a great idea. It's exposing MMA to the people that might not have ever seen anything like it and definetly has to be brining in some mad revenue.

As for the positives versus the negetives I personaly like the idea of TUF and would love to see it have an infinite number of seasons.

Side noted: I may be completely wrong but based on the way UFC contracts are set up I think Matty Lindland's contract was cancelled after that freak loss when he tried that supley and landed on his neck and Ko'd himself. I think the Ufc signed him to rematch and that was it. He just got screwed thats all. Not that agree with it or anything.

Who knows?

Ufc_unleashed · 12-09-2005, 09:05 PM

The whole reality show TUF is a great idea it makes so much money ppv money increases and alot of money is made in the process.

MAILMAN · 12-20-2005, 08:42 PM

TUf was cool at first but it is ruining mma, Iam sorry but the tuf fighters arent the type of people we want in UFC, they dont diserve the credit, when people say that the forrest and Bonner fight was a good fight my head starts to hurt. People need education on real mma. i dont even like watching the ufc any more because I here the crowd yelling stupid things like, "killem", or i hear people booing if there on the ground. MMA IS A SPORT NOT A STREETFIGHT!

The Passion · 12-22-2005, 07:23 PM

I hate most reality, but PPV is too expensive, so I'm all for sitting through a few commercials and the hollywood crap if it means I get to watch free UFC. I don't know why they don't have straight up UFC on cable yet...is it because it's still stereotyped as vicious, or are they making more money on PPV?

Shugiosha · 01-03-2006, 08:48 PM

TUF is a help, but a help that NEEDS help. Dana is turning it into a soap opera when it needs to focus on fighting (proven by his descision on ortiz and shamrock). It needs a few rules unrelated to the ring, I'm sure everyone remembers high school team conduct rules, right?

Nostrezzz · 01-04-2006, 08:09 PM

In my opinion, it's similar to the NFL Draft.

Sure, you have tons of note-worthy veterans. But everyone is more interested in the guys who are still yet to be discovered. The YOUNG talent. Because what good is a Mirko Cro Cop as your Champion if he's planning on retiring before he can defend it 3 times? Guys like Sanchez, Griffin, Bonnar, and Franklin, they are all good fighters. Every one of them (excluding Bonnar) have had vast wrestling backgrounds. And if you've never rolled around with a wrestler, you have no idea, but they DO have some ground skills. Half of learning how to fight on the ground is leverage, and most good wrestlers have a very good feel for that. Even if it does only result in GnP.

And by the way, who are you to decide what MMA is? Is it, by your definition, rolling around on the ground and that's it? That sounds like Jiu-Jitsu to me, but not much for MIXED martial arts. Kickboxers, Sambo, Muay Thai, these are all actual martial arts that involve fighting from a standing position. If you want ground work, go watch a Jiu-jitsu competition. But in MMA, a good fighter is going to always have a good standing and ground game. Look at Arlovski, Couture, Fedor, Hughes, Nog, and Sakuraba. They are all capable strikers (some stronger than others) but they are all willing to go to the mat. Don't give me that crap about the "new age" UFC ruining the sport because you have a personal beef with what's popular. If you don't like it, nobody is twisting your arm to watch it. Watch Pride. Where you get to see two BJJ practicioners lay there on the mat like a couple of dead people until we eventually get to a decision. This is an assumption on my part, and I apologize in advance for it, but my guess is that you probably don't support elbows and knees from the guard/side guard either, right? Why? Because a nasty cut can end a fight? You're damn right it can. But if the guys who just want to land 4 punches then hug their opponent for the remaining 13 minutes for a decision are forced to ACTUALLY do something to win the fight, what's wrong with that? It's in the interest of MMA to allow these fighters to go for blood. If MMA fighters are supposed to be strictly ground specialists, why is Silva the champion over at Pride? He'll tell you every day of the week and twice on Sunday that he wants to be standing. Rampage Jackson wants knockouts. Why? Who gives a shit? They just do!

I'm ranting, and I'm way off topic. But ultimately, The Ultimate Fighter will be good for MMA and good for the UFC. If you aren't from the US then I can understand why it's difficult to fathom these changes being necessary. But they certainly are. UFC is in a place where they want to be competitive with the rest of the world of MMA. In order to do that, they need money. In order to do that, they need advertising. And with advertising comes bullshit censorship from the damn bleeding hearts who don't want their children exposed to such violence. And the only way to beat those assholes is to have MORE money than them, so they can pay off Congress to allow the show to continue. Then, once the revenue (and all of the future superstars) are in their favor, they can continue with the evolution of MMA

NeXtBiGThingGSP · 01-07-2006, 01:12 PM

i honestly agree with what you are saying but you have to look at it this way money makes the world go round, and what the UFC is doing is making money by turning the UFC into a soap-opera/reality. I've heard people say that its turning into a real WWE and I agree with that because the fightings real but now their throwing storylines into it so to speak a good example of this was the Diego Sanchez- Nick Diaz fight, they supposedly hated eachother and envied one another and it was "a battle" to determine whos the better guy.To me thats something WWE would do with two wrestlers loved by the fans.

So I say will the UFC one day have "the best" champion (skills) wise yes, will they have "The best" champion fan population wise as well with best skills it's possible But i guess we will see how 2006 begins

Reggiefor3.YES! · 01-07-2006, 08:47 PM

i think leben, griffin, steevenson(if lightweights come back) and diego are all top 7 10 in their respective ufc divisions. so its a good thing.