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would you guys rather see Herring/Nog 4?

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[NaglfarCommando]

Originally Posted by machine29

So this is official? I think Mir vs Nog would be great. Mir's JJ vs Nog's would be an amazing matchup. I think Mir has a good chance.

According to my source[cant name it] it's official.

[Sissypants]

Originally Posted by kryptonic

I know people hate how title fights become delayed for the coaches on TUF, but is it really that big of a deal, if you look at it in a fuller sense? Right now, Nog isn't even the official champion, and by the time he is promoted up after all the Randy litigation ends he'll only be the official champion for a few months at best for the fight. Also, this allows more of the public to get to know Nog and build him some exposure with the more casual fans.

The HW division is so messed up right now, why not give them some time to sort themselves out so that after the Nog-Mir fight we have some clear cut contenders instead of just Arlovski, who may not even be staying, a 1-1 Werdum, and Herring, who's 2-2 and already lost 3 times to Nog. it shouldn't seem like such a huge loss anyways, since it looked like Mir was scheduled to fight in July and Nog didn't have anything planned at all. He still would've had to wait for a definitive contender to step up, and there really wasn't one around.

Thoughts?

Good on you Kryptonic.

Not often I get the feeling a poster has a good grasp of the competitive balance's relationship with the business practices. You make some good points and I think it would be very wise of the UFC to take note, I think the extra time to develop the competitive heavy environment and possibly find a few more heavyweight prospects to develop would definately give the heavyweights a spark. Not to mention it opens the door for Brock to step up and if he delivers...the heavyweight environment would become electric, especially if its Mir holding the belt again.

[GSPFAN101]

Maybe he doesn't deserve it but both would make great coaches. Both are Jiu jitsu masters, who can really help their fighters on the ground. Nog will probably bring in Anderson Silva to help wit Striking too so I think it could be great.

[no_said_date]

I don't know if this is actually confirmed or something but I hate the idea. The title being put on hold and putting Nog on hold is bad enough. The worst part though is Frank has not done anything to deserve a title shot. Since the accident he's lost by TKO to Pe De Pano, he looked terrible. After watching Pe De Pano's debut it was easy to see Marcio had no striking ability. Frank gassed horribly and didn't look good the whole fight. His next fight he edged out an extremely close decision to Dan Christison, that was basically a gift. He barely did anything after the first 3 minutes and he was very lucky Dan gassed worse than him by the end. That fight was less than two years ago and he's now a contender? Against Brandon Vera he did absolutely nothing.

Then we get to the so called "old Frank" that we've seen against Brock and Antoni. First both fights combined total less than 3 minutes. Just because Frank appears better it does not prove he is actually in shape and wouldn't gas like his previous fights. Antoni was custom made for him to beat. Hardonk has the worst take down D in the UFC (far worse than Kongo) and to make it worse he has zero ground game (unlike Kongo). Against a guy that wants to strike Antoni is very dangerous, but Mir does not fall in that category. Frank beating Brock was also very unimpressive. Brock really showed he was too raw and considering he has no UFC experience the win means nothing. To put it in perspective how impressive would've it been if Frank beat a debuting wrestler like Cain Velasquez? Cain has more MMA experience, is younger, and looks overall more talented. Everyone would have wrote off the win though (Cain does have a bright future) and said it meant nothing. Are the fans really going to accept the Lesnar fight as a legit win because he was in the WWF?

Frank does have a lot of skill, but it takes more than possessing skill (especially in one area) to demonstrate one is ready for a title shot. In the octagon Frank has proved nothing over the last four years. He could still be that good but he hasn't even proven he can last awhile with a borderline top 10 UFC HW like Eddie Sanchez. Giving Frank a title shot would be far worse than Lutter or Serra, two guys from TUF 4 people always complain about getting shots. Atleast they beat decent UFC fighters like Cote (very misleading 0-4) and Lytle.

[antone3x7]

TUF coaches matched up to set up a fight is completely played out. UFC needs to come up with something new.

[tyler leben]

well i guess if arlovski doesn't sign then mir kinda deserves a shot although vera destroyed him

[Jokre]

Didn't Mir beat the almighty freakish athlete Brock Lesnar in about a minute?

Who deserves a shot more than he?

[exile27]

I understand when people say they don't want the belt to be held up because of TUF, but I 100% agree with the TS here. The UFC's HW division is hurting in a bad way right now. There really are quite a few fights that need to happen so that the division can sort itself out. Not to mention the depth in the division is all but gone. Now would be a perfect time to try and bring in some new talent to shake things up a bit.

I personally think Nog and Mir would make great coaches on TUF. Does Mir deserve a title shot? Ehhh... Maybe not. But it is still a fight I'd like to see.

I think that the one thing the UFC needs to make sure of though if the do a HW TUF, is that they are truely getting HW's on the show. Look at the cast from the last HW TUF. Who's left from that fighting in the UFC? No one! They all either dropped down to LHW or couldn't hack it in the UFC.