[Nickuraba]

My know it all friend insist that EVERY match on TUF 4 starting from the semi-finals was an "official" pro fight. He believe since it was 3 rounds, the NSAC considers it an actual fight.....yet, no official records list those fights as being "official" fights because to my knowledge, they're all considered exhibition matches. If i'm not mistaken, the only matches that are "official" ar ethe ones we see in the finale AFTER the season is finished and the finals are set. This guy is also under the impression that the fighters were automatically paid to be there because they were "pro" fighters this time, but apparently he doesnt realize that 99% of the fighters in the first 3 season were "pro fighters"(pro meaning they get paid for it).

Anyway, the main argument is the fact that he's saying the fights were pro starting from the semi's on this season and I say he's an idiot because 2 rounds, 3 round, or 5 rounds....they were all exhibitions until the FINALE. somebody with a little knowledge on the situation please clear this up. Thanks

[dlutter]

only the live fights count since there is a fight reporting time for a fight to be offical, all figths that were taped are exhib. for that reason. so you are right and your friend is not

[OT Sinner]

The post above me speaks the truth. Regardless of round amount, they are all exhibition fights until the final, otherwise the results have to immediately be reported to the NSAC. I could be wrong, but I believe the NSAC also has to have some representation there for it to be official. They had to be exhibition fights for the fights to be taped for the TV show.

[JackLancewell]

Not sure but I think they count in the fighter's records (Smith had a dent in his record because of TUF4).

[Nickuraba]

Originally Posted by JackLancewell

Not sure but I think they count in the fighter's records (Smith had a dent in his record because of TUF4).

Nope, Smith's record reads....Loss to davide Terrell and then his next fight listed is his win very Pete Sell. The Lutter match might as well not have existed because it was an EXHIBITION match. I've tried convincing this guy that sherdog's fightfinder is pretty damn accurate and they wouldn't miss adding fights THAT publicly known. Same with Full contact fighter's database. 2 rounds, 3 rounds, 20 round....it was all exhibition fights and the only reason it leaked was because of somebody having a big mouth...not because it was NSAC where the fights had to be released as public knowledge. If that was the case, there would have been betting on these fights and oh....STILL NO MENTION ON ANY FIGHTER'S RECORDS???? Hmmm. Yeah, I win this one. FUCK YOU MIKE. Sorry, but you'd really have to know this guy

[Cripple Fight]

yes, they are considered exhibition matches.

otherwise the ufc would have to publically publish the results as soon as the matches were over

[MrNEWZ]

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=3707

Sell (prior to Saturday) was 1-2 as of Saturday Night.

Gee, the must have counted the semi-finals and it CLEARLY INDICATES that they did. You're wrong. ;-)

[MrNEWZ]

Further, you completely miss the point of the first three seasons AND the fact that the first three seasons fights were ALWAYS only 2 five minute rounds. Nevada's rules state that a non-title fight is 3 rounds and a title fight is 5 rounds.

You keep changing what I've actually said to use the basis of Season 1-3 (which you admittedly HAVEN'T watched completely, let alone season 4)... I understand the fighters are all "pro" level, but you're pulling things out of the air to make it sound like you even understand what you're talking about.

Because you REFUSE to listen to the details, the 2nd Round (Semi-Finals) were all placed as 3 Round fights. COMPLETELY unlike the first 3 seasons were all fights were 2 5-Minute Rounds with a Sudden Victory Round. In the previous 3 seasons it was also EXPLICITLY noted about the Knock-Out/Submission bonus for finishing a fight. For this season, no such "bonus" was ever mentioned or made note of. Even $1000 is $1000 to anyone, even veteran fighters, so Lutter would have been SURE to mention how thrilled he was about his stoppage, etc--- but it wasn't there. You would know this if you actually *WATCHED* the show. The Semis going 3 rounds is also why, despite having 3 seasons where the finals were protected, Season 4 had it leaked ASAP.

Fighters in the house for Season 4 were PAID to be there and/or to Fight. They were pros who could be paid otherwise. If you recall, many pros contacted turned it down based on the money involved, but again--- you're just looking for people on your side when it's CLEARLY indicated by the UFC the Semi-Final round fights are counting on their records.

By loading your post this way, you will of COURSE get responses saying they are exhibitions. Correct, 1-3 and the first round of Season 4 were. Round 2, they were not. Your sheer obsession with proving someone wrong is great, but lying in front of you is the NV State Rules (go read them) and the UFC articles clearly counting the Semis into records. Get over it.

[euphoria888]

the nsac requires the results of the fights to be reported within 24 hrs of the event or else it is considered an exhibition match

[prelude2pain]

I was under the impression that to keep the results unknown they had to make the fights exhibition. Otherwise they would be forced to have the results recorded.