Ken shamrock was always better than bas rutten...*GIF*

[Perros]

Originally Posted by Nodecaf

Not only that. But Shamrock submitted rutten 4 times in their first match. He basically just played with him. In Bas DVD career set, he shows the last minute or so, and tells what mistake he did when Shamrock choked him the first time they met, and that he would never do that again , "and that was my loss to Ken Shamrock".
He dont mentioned or show that he got clowned and submitted 3 times before that.

The second fight was the infamous kneebar, and was only one submission, cus Bas didnt reach the rope for the rope-break rule.

Bas is a good talker. A good fighter as well, but Ken always had his number.

Yeah but when Bas fought against Shamrock he was still a rookie while Ken was right into his prime.

[Nodecaf]

Originally Posted by Perros

Yeah but when Bas fought against Shamrock he was still a rookie while Ken was right into his prime.

If you follow that logic, you should discredit him for his Frank Shamrock wins. Frank had been training for 6months before their first fight. But I dont see any nuthuggers mentioning that. In fact, the win againt Frank is their biggest argument on why hes one of the GOATs.

And to say Bas was a rookie is not entirely true. He was a good striker. And had been fighting in Pancrase for over two years. And he had submission wins and KOs before their fight as well.

[dude63]

Frank was also being trained by his bro..ken. The guy of whom this very topc is about.

[MMAth Wiz]

Look, Ken Shamrock was a beast and is justifiably a hall of famer, but it's not like Bas sucked. Those losses to Ken were fairly early in his career, and after that he went undefeated in 12 straight fights which included such opponents as Maurice Smith, Frank Shamrock, etc.

[Mudshovel]

Bas is the man

[koquerelle]

then I assume Hallman has had a greater career than Hughes if I use your great logic

[GHOST113X]

Ken Shamrock deserves alot more respect than many people give him. I like him and Bas, but I believe both times Bas fought Shamrock he had very little knowledge of submissions, and has always been known for his poor takedown defense.

[pittelp]

Originally Posted by BrokenOrbital

Cool GIF. If Shamrock had retired before 2005, he would get a lot more respect today.

Good point.

[Rikishi Phatu]

Bas trained with freaking MASAKATSU FUNAKI for SIX months before his first fight with Ken in 1994. He knew submissions. Bas makes so many excuses for his losses it's ridiculous.

[kenclasix]

Originally Posted by joedogghaze

Say what u want but by even today's mma standards that is one of the best rnc i have ever seen.The transition is a thing of beauty.Check out on youtube shamrock almost rippin out bas rutten's leg into two with a kneebar and bas screaming for mercy