Ken shamrock was always better than bas rutten...*GIF*

[Nagorak]

Ken Shamrock was indeed good back in the day, but people now think less of him because he competed too long. The sport evolved and he also aged. When Royce Gracie fought Matt Hughes he was destroyed, but that takes nothing away from his performance back in the day. I think that is a good comparison to Shamrock's situation. His mistake was the he was still actively competing well beyond the point he should have been.

Bas is probably overrated here and Shamrock is definitely underrated. As far as the OP's statement: Shamrock beat Rutten both times they fought, so I don't see how it's even disputable that Shamrock was the better fighter when both were in their primes.

[Nodecaf]

Originally Posted by TyroneSlothrop

nothing against bas, but he is without a doubt THE most overrated fighter on sherdog


he's one of those guys that fool stupid fans into thinking he's a good fighter by the sheer force of his personality

Truest post on sherdog

[Nodecaf]

Originally Posted by Nagorak

Ken Shamrock was indeed good back in the day, but people now think less of him because he competed too long. The sport evolved and he also aged. When Royce Gracie fought Matt Hughes he was destroyed, but that takes nothing away from his performance back in the day. I think that is a good comparison to Shamrock's situation. His mistake was the he was still actively competing well beyond the point he should have been.

Bas is probably overrated here and Shamrock is definitely underrated. As far as the OP's statement: Shamrock beat Rutten both times they fought, so I don't see how it's even disputable that Shamrock was the better fighter when both were in their primes.

Not only that. But Shamrock submitted rutten 4 times in their first match. He basically just played with him. In Bas DVD career set, he shows the last minute or so, and tells what mistake he did when Shamrock choked him the first time they met, and that he would never do that again , "and that was my loss to Ken Shamrock".
He dont mentioned or show that he got clowned and submitted 3 times before that.

The second fight was the infamous kneebar, and was only one submission, cus Bas didnt reach the rope for the rope-break rule.

Bas is a good talker. A good fighter as well, but Ken always had his number.

[RJK]

The Bas vs Randleman fight is an interesting case but a boring fight. The two main arguments for his victory are:

1/ More active from the bottom - evidence for this is that the ref said he didn't stand them up because Rutten was scoring;
2/ The decision was given to Rutten due to the weight difference

I haven't done my own fact checking; I've only watched it once or twice.

[Nodecaf]

Originally Posted by RJK

The Bas vs Randleman fight is an interesting case but a boring fight. The two main arguments for his victory are:

1/ More active from the bottom - evidence for this is that the ref said he didn't stand them up because Rutten was scoring;
2/ The decision was given to Rutten due to the weight difference

I haven't done my own fact checking; I've only watched it once or twice.

It was a HW match.Weightdifference is not a factor.
If Bas was small for his weight, thats his problem.

Bas looked like a pudding at the end. Its the definition of bogus decision.
Makes Shogun Machida look failry squarly in comparison.

What also surprises me, is that Bas said his submissions shot through the roof AFTER the Shamrock fights. So strange that he didnt even come close one single time to submit Randleman, who even today is known for having next to none submission defense at all.
Hell, even Crocop submitted Randleman.

[RJK]

Originally Posted by Nodecaf

It was a HW match.Weightdifference is not a factor.
If Bas was small for his weight, thats his problem.

I agree, but for whatever reason that is often put forward as the argument.

[Kil'jaeden]

Bas is soooo overrated here its not even funny, alot of people here respect personalities more than fighting skill tho'.

Its funny, no one will admit it anymore, but remember all the people that used to say "Kimbo will be great one day, he is training with bas after all".

Hahaha, funny shit.

[SMillard]

Originally Posted by TyroneSlothrop

nothing against bas, but he is without a doubt THE most overrated fighter on sherdog


he's one of those guys that fool stupid fans into thinking he's a good fighter by the sheer force of his personality

Bas is the MMA Chuck Norris, all the joking about how invincible he is has been taken too literally by too many people.


we've put him on this pedestal because of his personality, his bravado, his self defense DVDs and the fact he was one of the pioneers of the sport.

He was a very good fighter, had to catch up on the ground game aspect quick and you have to give him credit for how he did it but other than that you are absolutely right. Although he is still in my top three favorites of all time.

[Liemann]

Bas has had like 3 real MMA fights.. Most of the "mma" fights where in pancrase.
He "lost" to Randleman, and won over Warpath.. This does not belong on the resume of a great fighter, let alone one of the best of all time. Shamrock took Royce Gracie to the distance when nobody else even got close. He's waaay past his prime, but the fact remains, that guy 'had' som mad skills. Especially leg locks.

[Loa37007]

Originally Posted by RJK

The Bas vs Randleman fight is an interesting case but a boring fight. The two main arguments for his victory are:

1/ More active from the bottom - evidence for this is that the ref said he didn't stand them up because Rutten was scoring;
2/ The decision was given to Rutten due to the weight difference

I haven't done my own fact checking; I've only watched it once or twice.

i actually though bas won but my judging of fights is like japan style, randleman dominated the 1st minutes then the rest of the fight bas was fuckin him up from his back, randleman had top control for the rest of the fight and didnt do anything but lay there