[luckyshot]

I agree. Good for him to have the balls to tell Forrest to get back in his corner, where he should have been anyway.

[bettyswalls]

Originally Posted by peteyandjia

... It was two knockdowns.

And I'm a Forrest fan, in fact that's putting it lightly. I actually put money on him to beat Page (who I also like).

Getting back to the point: I think Forrest was posturing a little bit because he felt challenged by Rampage's tantrum about a third round... so he felt the need to argue with Page and say "it was only one knockdown".

I have two problems with this statement by Forrest.

Problem #1: It is incorrect.

Problem #2: These guys just poured their hearts out competing in a cage. Blood, sweat and tears. Even if Forrest had been correct, the last thing a guy (Schultz) wants to hear after performing like that is the opposing coach standing in the cage four seconds after the fight arguing and debating the details of the bout Sherdog-style across the room. Forrest knows that better than anybody.

Forrest was either knee-jerk standing up for his boy or was just plain mistaken.

But either way Schultz has a right to defend that statement right at that moment, it was two knockdowns. And I think his statement right after about "get in the corner Forrest, I can't wait until you fight Rampage" is understandable and needs to be given a little more leeway by us fans under the circumstances.

This whole post is more of a defense of Schultz than it is a critique of Forrest, really. Honestly I don't think any of this is a big deal. I just see Schultz getting a lot of hate around here over what he said, and I don't see it that way, I thought it was more or less justified.

That is all! Imo.

War Forrest

Problem 1, the footing has been said to be very slippery for people who aren't used to it, which is why so many people slip. But you can have this one.

Problem 2: Why aren't you on Rampage for his childish outbursts? He rips into Forrest's fighters and the judges. If anything Cale should have told him to keep it down. If Forrest was knee jerk standing up for his boy, then who was he talking to? That's right, Mr Meltdown Jackson.

Should Forrest have stayed in his corner? Yes, that's part of why you'll see guys from SAC's pop into the ring after a fight. Is it understandable for Schultz to mouth off like that? Sure...for a punk. He lost, he should take it like a man.

[SilenceKit]

I saw one knock down and two slips/trips.

I also saw that Shultz throws sloppy, looping, telegraphed punches. I was suprised to see a "kickboxer" who has his own school fighting with such a sloppy amateur technique. A technically astute standup fighter would destroy him.

The one thing I'll give Shultz is that he has some power in his right hand. He caught CY a couple of times, and you could tell it hurt him.

In the end, neither of these guys belong in the UFC. It's a moot point who won this fight, because neither fighter is good enough to fight for a top organization. Thus, they should both STFU about the outcome.

[ShootFighter09]

Originally Posted by peteyandjia

Once Forrest goes over the line by engaging the losing coach in an argument while standing in the cage, also discrediting Shultz's two knockdowns, he (Forrest) becomes fair game for Schultz to tell him he is going to get his ass kicked -- and more importantly, to get back in his corner.

Yes Schultz showed him disrespect with that statement, but Forrest did not deserve otherwise at that moment. Forrest crossed the line of disrespect first.

Again I am a Forrest fan to the end, but I calls 'em as I sees 'em.

Go back to Canada, you sensitive troll. What is the deal with everyone crossing the line? Schultz is a nobody who got beat twice on TUF. Get over it.

[Lolly]

Originally Posted by SilenceKit

I saw one knock down and two slips/trips.

I also saw that Shultz throws sloppy, looping, telegraphed punches. I was suprised to see a "kickboxer" who has his own school fighting with such a sloppy amateur technique. A technically astute standup fighter would destroy him.

The one thing I'll give Shultz is that he has some power in his right hand. He caught CY a couple of times, and you could tell it hurt him.

In the end, neither of these guys belong in the UFC. It's a moot point who won this fight, because neither fighter is good enough to fight for a top organization. Thus, they should both STFU about the outcome.

Yeah, I saw one knock down and two slips too. I think Forrest was right. I'm sure Schultz is a good guy and it was just heat of the moment, but Forrest really didn't start the issue. Rampage was the one who started arguing about a 3rd round and Forrest just agreed to it. The bottom line is the judges had already made their decision and neither Forrest or Rampage can change that.

[lildupressa]

Originally Posted by Lolly

I thought Schultz knocked Cale down once and the other time looked more like a slip than a knock down to me...maybe that's what Forrest saw too.

And Rampage was the one who started the argument about a 3rd round...not Forrest...Forrest just agreed that each guy had won a round and it should go to a 3rd and he said his guy was ready. I didn't see anything wrong with what he said. Rampage was the one on the sidelines, starting shit. Mainly, because he's pissed off that his guys keep losing.

I'm sure Schultz is probably a nice guy, but that comment of his to Forrest was very disrespectful. He's lucky Griffin didn't go after his ass...

I agree with this post. I was reading until I found a person who WATCHED the fight point out that the 2nd "knockdown" was slip. Schultz can't go and mouth off to Forrest because Forrest saw 1 knockdown and 1 slip. Is Schultz going to mouth off to the refs that saw that too? Forrest didn't insult Schultz. Schultz IMO is a loser, crybaby. Rampage was the one who went into the cage first and started complaining. As if a grade-A loser like Schultz would mouth off to Forrest. UNBELIEVABLE that a loser like him would say that. It was pretty obvious that Cale won the fight. Forrest was man-enough to say they would go another round. Patrick, after getting his ass WHOOPED should have been thankful that Forrest gave him the benefit of the doubt.

[lildupressa]

Originally Posted by luckyshot

I agree. Good for him to have the balls to tell Forrest to get back in his corner, where he should have been anyway.

I didn't hear Schultz barking at Rampage to get back in his corner after he entered the ring first. What the fuck is with the hypocrites in full-force today???

[lildupressa]

Originally Posted by SilenceKit

I saw one knock down and two slips/trips.

I also saw that Shultz throws sloppy, looping, telegraphed punches. I was suprised to see a "kickboxer" who has his own school fighting with such a sloppy amateur technique. A technically astute standup fighter would destroy him.

The one thing I'll give Shultz is that he has some power in his right hand. He caught CY a couple of times, and you could tell it hurt him.

In the end, neither of these guys belong in the UFC. It's a moot point who won this fight, because neither fighter is good enough to fight for a top organization. Thus, they should both STFU about the outcome.

Oh man... I would LOVE to fight Schultz. You hit it bang-on... Schultz's punches are very telegraphed. You could see those body-shots coming from a mile away. He has ZERO takedown defense and cannot fight off of his back. Cale's sloppy takedowns looked good next to Schultz's non-existant sprawl. I cannot believe that anybody who "trains" as much as Schultz could have such sloppy technique. He should have kept his mouth shut because he LOST.

[peteyandjia]

Originally Posted by lildupressa

Schultz can't go and mouth off to Forrest because Forrest saw 1 knockdown and 1 slip.

He can, when it's in response to Forrest belittling his performance. Especially since he lost. Give the guy some respect and say that shit in the back room. Not in the cage, standing there yelling past him like he's not even there at someone else.

Originally Posted by lildupressa

Is Schultz going to mouth off to the refs that saw that too?

By refs I'm sure you mean judges, who A: didn't say there weren't two knockdowns and B: certainly didn't criticize his performance in the cage.

Originally Posted by lildupressa

Forrest didn't insult Schultz.

He did, albeit probably unintentionally.

Originally Posted by lildupressa

Rampage was the one who went into the cage first and started complaining.

Wrong, Rampage didn't enter the cage at any point.

Originally Posted by lildupressa

Forrest was man-enough to say they would go another round.

Don't get me started on that one, Forrest was out of line there too. First of all he wasn't "MAN-ENOUGH" anything, that's Cale's ass he was trying to put on the line there, not his own. A young fighter's possible future on the show if he had lost. Just more evidence that Forrest was letting his ego get a hold of him there.

Listen guys I Love Forrest but when he's wrong he's wrong. It wasn't a major thing, but don't crucify Schultz just because he stood up for himself in the moment against a fighter you like.

[menyes]

If i was in TUF, i wouldn't want Rampage to be my coach. Yeah maybe it was a tie butt i'm from Holland and this was a beginners kickbox fight, so sloppy.