Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums

Go Back   Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums > General Discussion > Off-Topic > The War Room


The War Room Gun-toting neocon? Tree-hugging lib? Duke it out in the War Room.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 06-18-2008, 10:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
__________
 
Valiss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 867-530niiieeeeyiiiine
Posts: 12,202
Icon3 Wikileaks Gets Hold of Counterinsurgency Manual

Slashdot | Wikileaks Gets Hold of Counterinsurgency Manual

Wikileaks has published a US Special Forces counterinsurgency manual, titled Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces (1994, 2004).

"The document, which has been verified, is official US Special Forces doctrine. It directly advocates training paramilitaries, pervasive surveillance, censorship, press control and restrictions on labor unions & political parties. It directly advocates warrantless searches, detainment without charge and the suspension of habeas corpus. It directly advocates bribery, employing terrorists, false flag operations and concealing human rights abuses from journalists. And it directly advocates the extensive use of 'psychological operations' (propaganda) to make these and other 'population & resource control' measures more palatable."

wikilinks: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/How_to_tra...alvador_to_you
Valiss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2008, 11:56 AM   #2 (permalink)

Brown Belt
 
NoFreeSpeech's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,621
Watch the conservatives excuse this behavior while everyone else is creeped the fuck out by how our government acts.
__________________
"Africans are more susceptible to aids because the continue to bone like mosquitoes and consume uncooked monkey meat" - Dizzle

Proud subject of the most complex call-out thread in Sherdog history
NoFreeSpeech is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2008, 12:04 PM   #3 (permalink)

Green Belt
 
Darkballs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: in everlasting satire
Posts: 1,213
having read the manual myself back in the day, your post is a bit misleading. we have a manual out there for just about anything. i'm sure on some shelf in the pentagon you will find documents on how to wage nuclear war. that doesn't mean that we are actively hoping and pursuing nuclear annihilation of other nations.
plus, fighting a counter-insurgency is hard, and often difficult. do you really think we would have much luck tracking down insurgents in afghanistan if we had to obtain a search warrant (by whom?) before we could kick open a door? the u.s. military isn't perfect, but i can assure you we do more than just about any other nation to fight our wars humanely an in respect to the laws of war. do we collectively fuck up now and again? of course. however we do not have an institutionalized organization bent solely on perversing human rights. hell if we did, iraq would have been carpet bombed into oblivion and the only thing you would see there now would be oil contractors and their bodygaurds.
Darkballs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2008, 12:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
__________
 
Valiss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 867-530niiieeeeyiiiine
Posts: 12,202
Uh huh, sure. And explain away "bribery, employing terrorists, false flag operations and concealing human rights abuses from journalists."

This kind of thing shouldnt be endorsed by the greatest military on earth.
Valiss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2008, 12:20 PM   #5 (permalink)

Green Belt
 
Darkballs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: in everlasting satire
Posts: 1,213
Quote:
Originally Posted by Valiss View Post
Uh huh, sure. And explain away "bribery, employing terrorists, false flag operations and concealing human rights abuses from journalists."

This kind of thing shouldnt be endorsed by the greatest military on earth.
well i would have to re-read the document in order to access in what context such actions are being suggested. however i can tell you that as a whole, the u.s. military is not walking around employing terrorists and conducting false-flag operations. you are naive if you think otherwise. i also am very suspicious that the wording of the manual specifically calls for employing terrorists. i think this is inferred along the lines of working with local militias to achieve simialar goals. not the same thing.
Darkballs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2008, 12:21 PM   #6 (permalink)

Brown Belt
 
Sherpa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: From: Miami. Now: Memphis
Posts: 3,010
Send a message via AIM to Sherpa
We do this during everyone and people blindly accept it.
__________________
Die In A Fire

Owner of a Nietzsche13 approved parking spot on Thinkingman's Boulevard.
Sherpa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2008, 12:24 PM   #7 (permalink)
__________
 
Valiss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: 867-530niiieeeeyiiiine
Posts: 12,202
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkballs View Post
well i would have to re-read the document in order to access in what context such actions are being suggested. however i can tell you that as a whole, the u.s. military is not walking around employing terrorists and conducting false-flag operations. you are naive if you think otherwise. i also am very suspicious that the wording of the manual specifically calls for employing terrorists. i think this is inferred along the lines of working with local militias to achieve simialar goals. not the same thing.
Well you can click the link that was provided and read the manual yourself.
Valiss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2008, 12:37 PM   #8 (permalink)

Brown Belt
 
kartaron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,437
From what I can find this is both old and widely available (no need to be 'leaked).

The current is FM 3-05.202, Special Forces Foreign Internal Defense Operations, published last year.
__________________
Hey, we are having a nice little discussion here.....please put your Samurai sword away and play nice. Titlefight
kartaron is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2008, 12:39 PM   #9 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nibiru
Posts: 4,988
Those links aren't working for me.
Xenu** is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2008, 12:41 PM   #10 (permalink)

Green Belt
 
Lord of Lies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,224
Yawn. Big deal. Here's a better tactic: clusterbomb the fuck out of them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valiss View Post
Slashdot | Wikileaks Gets Hold of Counterinsurgency Manual

Wikileaks has published a US Special Forces counterinsurgency manual, titled Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces (1994, 2004).

"The document, which has been verified, is official US Special Forces doctrine. It directly advocates training paramilitaries, pervasive surveillance, censorship, press control and restrictions on labor unions & political parties. It directly advocates warrantless searches, detainment without charge and the suspension of habeas corpus. It directly advocates bribery, employing terrorists, false flag operations and concealing human rights abuses from journalists. And it directly advocates the extensive use of 'psychological operations' (propaganda) to make these and other 'population & resource control' measures more palatable."

wikilinks: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/How_to_tra...alvador_to_you
Lord of Lies is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




Latest Threads



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:47 PM.

Sherdog.com Forum Rules Clear Cookies Social Groups Lost Password

Skin made by Alex. © iStyles.uni.cc Powered by vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2009 Sherdog.com | Privacy Policy | Click here to advertise on Sherdog