[dylanransom]

Originally Posted by Ham_Roll

You used to be cool

I guess I flip-flopped...

[JSN]

Originally Posted by stylesbjj

Obviously, a lot of new evidence and circumstances have come out since the start of the war.

don't you know anything? it's much better to blindly stick with a wrong idea than it is to *gasp!* change! flip-flopping is akin to limpwristedness or a speech impediment.

[farrellesque]

Because when you change your opinion based on new evidence it emboldens the enemy. Like when a ship captain realizes the light he was manouvering towards is in fact not a star, but a lighthouse. Stay the course or the terrorists win.

[BayAreaGuy]

When a republican changes his stance on something he's doing so because of new facts.


When it's a democrat, he's a flip flop.






When a republican keeps the same position even though facts change, it's "he has core convictions and doesn't lead by poles".


With a democrat, it's "he's out of touch with reality".

[Workers United]

If you find out new information, and your opinion changes to a more correct view, then that's a sign of intelligence.

On the issue of war, not only was I calling bullshit on the WMD's but I was deconstructing the real reasons behind the war BEFORE THE WAR EVEN STARTED.

Further, I predicted the war was going to happen by reading the Hart Rudman comission report, way back when, and people were saying I was an idiot and that we'd already fought that war and won it.

I was at the first demonstrations that predated the beginning of the war.

Yes, but of course, Marxism is outdated and its explanatory power isn't real. Which is why I'm like Nostradamas compared to most people on here on almost every single issue.

[charlydevo]

Originally Posted by Workers United

If you find out new information, and your opinion changes to a more correct view, then that's a sign of intelligence.

On the issue of war, not only was I calling bullshit on the WMD's but I was deconstructing the real reasons behind the war BEFORE THE WAR EVEN STARTED.

Further, I predicted the war was going to happen by reading the Hart Rudman comission report, way back when, and people were saying I was an idiot and that we'd already fought that war and won it.

I was at the first demonstrations that predated the beginning of the war.

Yes, but of course, Marxism is outdated and its explanatory power isn't real. Which is why I'm like Nostradamas compared to most people on here on almost every single issue.

You must be a genius. Why is it that nobody knows your name yet?

[Happnin' Mojo]

Originally Posted by charlydevo

It looks to me like Chardog pointed out some great quotes. Come to think of it, I've never heard a Democrat come out and say "We fucked up". All I hear from them is "Bush fucked up". Apparently, once the war become unpopular, the Democrats who were supporters of the war had no inkling to accept any blame whatsoever. Don't forget that their decisions and opinions were based on the same evidence that the President had. Now they want to call the President a liar? Where is their virtue?

Some of those quotes were from the time in which the Clinton administration had done strategic airstrikes on facilities in Iraq which Republicans were against at the time, they often deemed it a distraction from his extra marital activities ala Wag the Dog.

Secondly politicians rarely ever admit mistakes, the only one that I can recall is Adlai Stevenson and William Jennings Bryan. Oh yeah and George Wallace.

As for the politicians that voted fr the war they deserve every bit of criticism they get but even though they're douches that doesn't excuse the administration...

[DaRuckus337]

Sometimes politicians flip-flop. Sometimes - like the rest of us - they learn from experience and change their tune as a result. Sometimes, upon hearing outcry from their constituency, they have a change of heart because they realize the direction they were moving in was directly opposed to the direction the people who hired him want. I think we all need to be aware of the fact that merely changing your mind does not necessarily mean you have 'flip-flopped', and can in fact be a sign of a reasonable, wise, and open-minded individual with the ability to learn from experience and listen to others. In my opinion, it's only a 'real' flip-flop when the media convinces you to change your mind, or when you say different things on different days to appeal to different crowds and to take advantage of the newest headline.

[charlydevo]

Originally Posted by Happnin' Mojo

Some of those quotes were from the time in which the Clinton administration had done strategic airstrikes on facilities in Iraq which Republicans were against at the time, they often deemed it a distraction from his extra marital activities ala Wag the Dog.

Secondly politicians rarely ever admit mistakes, the only one that I can recall is Adlai Stevenson and William Jennings Bryan. Oh yeah and George Wallace.

As for the politicians that voted fr the war they deserve every bit of criticism they get but even though they're douches that doesn't excuse the administration...

I don't want an excuse for the administration. I want somebody to muster up the fortitude to acknowledge that they screwed up just as badly. They all worked off of the same information. They all came to the same conclusions. I'd like to hear somebody like Nancy Pelosi admit that she agreed with Bush's decision to invade Iraq. I'm tired of hearing people like her saying that Bush lied to her, and that she wouldn't have invaded Iraq.

By the way, I'm all for leaving Iraq as soon as possible. I think that the war on terrorism could be won more expeditiously through other means. But then again, I'm not the President, and I'm not privileged to the same information as he is.

[megaseth7]

Because we should have gotten it right the first time, it was that important.