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Old 03-28-2007, 07:57 PM   #1 (permalink)

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When all else fails, quote a blog.

When all legitimate polls shows that Iraqis are afraid for their lives, and that the country is going to hell in a handbasket, just quote a private individuals blog for proof of improving conditions. That's what the President of the United States does. Unbelievable how out of touch with reality this man is.

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WASHINGTON (AP) - To back up his point that pulling out of Iraq would be a disaster, President Bush has quoted opinions from the secretary of defense, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the top U.S. general in Iraq—and now, two bloggers from Baghdad.
Bush made a surprising reference to the blogosphere during a spirited defense of his war strategy on Wednesday. The mention seemed even more unusual because the president didn't identify whom he was quoting, so he seemed to be leaning on anonymous commentary.

"They have bloggers in Baghdad, just like we've got here," Bush told the National Cattlemen's Beef Association.

Then he began to quote: "Displaced families are returning home, marketplaces are seeing more activity, stores that were long shuttered are now reopening. We feel safer about moving in the city now. Our people want to see this effort succeed."

His point was that Iraqi people are seeing signs of progress—and what better example of their unbridled expression than blogs.

It turns out, the White House made clear hours later, that he was quoting two brothers, Mohammed and Omar Fadhil. They write an English- language blog from Baghdad called IraqTheModel.com. Both of them got to meet Bush in the Oval Office in 2004.

In his speech, Bush was pulling select lines from an op-ed that the brothers wrote. It appeared in The Wall Street Journal on March 5.

Blogs are Web sites that tend to be narrow in focus and directed at a niche audience. Most operate without editors and give instant reaction to the news. Their freewheeling, open nature makes them popular but also ripe for unverified statements.

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino defended the appearance of blog commentary in a presidential speech.

It is just one more way, she said, to show that positive news is happening in Iraq. But in perspective, she said, the White House cites all kinds of sources. Among the others she mentioned in the same breath: reporting from Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq.

"What the president was doing was taking an opportunity to talk about what one person's expression is," she said. "But that doesn't mean that there aren't other people having the same expression. Certainly, nobody can deny what General Petraeus has been saying."
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Old 03-28-2007, 08:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I love it when people use blogs as their argument points in here... or instead, they quietly pirate a blog's argument as their own as if no one will figure it out.
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Old 03-28-2007, 08:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I see no problem with this.

Iraqi blogger in Iraq says some lines, Bush talks about bloggers and uses what they said. Ugh... what was the problem with this. Taking the words that come from people that have first hand experience in no good?

Please explain your fantasy.

The teacher told me we were going to have a test, I didn't believe her cause Mel, the guy that works at the gas station, said there wasn't going to be a test. Awesome... what a much better way to see it.
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I trust bloggers in Iraq more than the NYT.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:28 PM   #5 (permalink)

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I trust bloggers in Iraq more than the NYT.
That's because you don't believe in credibility.
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:35 PM   #6 (permalink)

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That's because you don't believe in credibility.
'cuz he's a moron
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:43 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Apparently there are around 50 active bloggers in Iraq. Bush quoted two.

I wonder what the other 48 posted?
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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That's because you don't believe in credibility.
Does running a non-story on the front page for 44days straight gain or lose credibility? Does someone (probably a soldier) in Iraq have more credibility on what happening on the ground then someone (a reporter) in NY?
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:53 PM   #9 (permalink)

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I love it when people use blogs as their argument points in here... or instead, they quietly pirate a blog's argument as their own as if no one will figure it out.
He mentioned that he was referencing two bloggers from Iraq in the speech. What do you want? A signed attribution?

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That's because you don't believe in credibility.
We are comparing them the the NYT. Thats hardly a high standard anymore.

Iraqis have a better perspective on the situation than forum dwellers who get their news from their nightly viewing of an hour long political satire show or "journalists" who write dateline Baghdad reports from their hotel room in DC. The fact that they write "Their freewheeling, open nature makes them popular but also ripe for unverified statements" thankfully relieves the "journalists" from making any attempt to verify the issue by accusing the bloggers of making false and fraudulent claims without even the benefit of discrediting the argument with even a cursory investigation.
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Does running a non-story on the front page for 44days straight gain or lose credibility? Does someone (probably a soldier) in Iraq have more credibility on what happening on the ground then someone (a reporter) in NY?
Does a random blogger have more credibility than say, John Burns? If you seriously need to think about this then do us all a favor, don't breed.
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