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War Room: Why Are YOU Voting for Your Chosen Candidate?

I'm starting this thread against my better judgment because I would really like to know what specific things people like about their chosen presidential candidate. It seems like we have so many stumpers, slanderers, nuthuggers, and haters around here, and I think it's time that everyone with strong feelings on this election put themselves out there with a little honest commentary on why they like who they like. I want to hear:

1) Why you like him (ie. personally and based on professional record)?

2) Why you think he'll be good at the job (ie. what he has said/done that inspires confidence)?

And...

3) What important actions/policies/legislation he will take on while in office that will serve as the legacy of your vote and his presidency (ie. what is your benchmark for success during his term)?

There will be room for debate in this thread of course, but I would like to ask posters to - at least at first - post their own answers to these questions before responding/attacking/critiquing another poster's answers. I think it's only fair to criticize in a thread like this once you have put yourself and your beliefs out there for critique as well, so answer honestly, then take any shots you need to in a separate paragraph in your post.

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Old 07-24-2008, 12:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm starting this thread against my better judgment because I would really like to know what specific things people like about their chosen presidential candidate. I want to hear:

1) Why you like him (ie. personally and based on professional record)?

2) Why you think he'll be good at the job (ie. what he has said/done that inspires confidence)?

And...

3) What important actions/policies/legislation he will take on while in office that will serve as the legacy of your vote and his presidency (ie. what is your benchmark for success during his term)?

There will be room for debate in this thread of course, but I would like to ask posters to - at least at first - post their own answers to these questions before responding/attacking/critiquing another poster's answers. I think it's only fair to criticize in a thread like this once you have put yourself and your beliefs out there for critique as well, so answer honestly, then take any shots you need to in a separate paragraph in your post.

1. McCain is the lesser of 2 evils. Not sure if I will vote for either and not a 3rd party. It not matter in my state since Obama will win here anyways.
2McCain will be better cuz he was not a community organizer. It will be very dangerous to have a Dem pres and Dem Congress. Very little xperience for Obama in any aspect.
3. hard to tell since any pres always goes their on way and usually not the way they promised.
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Experience: These are delicate times. I believe we need a leader who will not be an OJT (on the job trainee) during an economic recession and military engagements in two countries. Having been in congress for over 20 years, he’s been able to observe the best & worst that a president has to offer and I’d expect him to leverage that experience to be an effective leader.

Bi Partisanship: He’s proven he’s unafraid to cross party lines to get work done. Congress is a fucking mess right now. We need someone who will be unafraid to do what’s “right” for the sake of the country rather than do what’s “expected” based on political affiliation.

Integrity: Unquestionable patriotism & honor. No skeletons despite decade’s worth of service.

Energy Plan: I support his position on drilling, gas tax relief and investing in alternative energy sources. He’s been clear on this key issue and I believe it’s the right short & long term approach to one of the most important challenges facing our country today.

Iraq: He’s an advocate of withdrawing when that country is stabilized. Not abandoning ship because the war is extremely unpopular. Not cutting away from the mess we’ve started. He was a huge advocate of the surge. He was right about the effect it would have. Real progress is finally being made and he’s committed to see it through. I agree fully with that position.

Taxes: He is completely opposed to raising taxes during these economic challenges. Instead of raising taxes, he’s in favor of reducing spending and being more fiscally responsible as well as minimizing government. I believe that’s exactly what needs to be done.

His opponent: I believe his opponent lacks in each of the categories I listed above. I have yet to see a good argument against that assertion.
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Experience: These are delicate times. I believe we need a leader who will not be an OJT (on the job trainee) during an economic recession and military engagements in two countries. Having been in congress for over 20 years, he’s been able to observe the best & worst that a president has to offer and I’d expect him to leverage that experience to be an effective leader.

Bi Partisanship: He’s proven he’s unafraid to cross party lines to get work done. Congress is a fucking mess right now. We need someone who will be unafraid to do what’s “right” for the sake of the country rather than do what’s “expected” based on political affiliation.

Integrity: Unquestionable patriotism & honor. No skeletons despite decade’s worth of service.

Energy Plan: I support his position on drilling, gas tax relief and investing in alternative energy sources. He’s been clear on this key issue and I believe it’s the right short & long term approach to one of the most important challenges facing our country today.

Iraq: He’s an advocate of withdrawing when that country is stabilized. Not abandoning ship because the war is extremely unpopular. Not cutting away from the mess we’ve started. He was a huge advocate of the surge. He was right about the effect it would have. Real progress is finally being made and he’s committed to see it through. I agree fully with that position.

Taxes: He is completely opposed to raising taxes during these economic challenges. Instead of raising taxes, he’s in favor of reducing spending and being more fiscally responsible as well as minimizing government. I believe that’s exactly what needs to be done.

His opponent: I believe his opponent lacks in each of the categories I listed above. I have yet to see a good argument against that assertion.

You took the words out of my mouth.
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You took the words out of my mouth.
Community organizer takes prescedence over all of that.
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"I never vote for anybody, I always vote against." W. C. Fields
Voting is an active process, and last time I checked, you have to pull a lever FOR somebody even if your heart is set against somebody else. So, why are you pulling your candidate's lever, even if you understandably feel like you are playing the 'lesser of two evils' game?
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Nader will most likely get my vote because he is the only one who talks about real issues that affect those in my demographic (the working class consumer).

Issues which affect the working class consumer.


1. Military Budget
Nader/Gonzalez would cut the bloated, wasteful military budget.

Earlier this year, President Bush announced a military budget of over $600 billion.
And that's not counting the full cost of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The proposed military budget represents 58 cents out of every dollar spent by the U.S. government on discretionary programs - the items that Congress gets to vote up or down on an annual basis.

The Democrats and Republicans have been silent about this rapid escalation in military expenditures, despite many critical reports by the Government Accountability Office and Pentagon auditors.

In fact, they want to increase them.

Barack Obama, for example, has said that he wants to "bump up" the military budget.
Hillary Clinton and Obama have committed themselves to increasing the armed forces by tens of thousands of troops.


John McCain would outdo them both.

As budget analyst William Hartung points out "the United States is already spending more for defense than all the other nations in the world combined."



This is wasteful spending which does not increase our security. We need a new mindset in Washington.




2. Single Payer Health Care

Nader/Gonzalez favors a Canadian-style, private delivery, free choice of hospital and doctor, public health insurance system.

Right now, the United States spends $7,129 per capita on health care—more than twice as much per capita as the rest of the industrialized world.

And yet, the United States performs poorly in comparison on major health indicators such as life expectancy and infant mortality

While other industrialized nations like Canada and Sweden provide comprehensive coverage to their entire populations, the United States leaves 47 million completely uninsured and tens of millions more inadequately covered.
According to an Institute of Medicine report, 18,000 Americans die each year because they cannot afford health care.
And inability to pay for medical bills is the leading cause of bankruptcies – they currently contribute to about half the bankruptcies in the United States.



3. Ballot Access
Nader/Gonzalez favor one federal standard for federal ballot access in all of the states.

Right now, each state sets its own standards and third party and independent candidates must spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours for a chance to get on the ballots of the various states.

In some states, it is fairly simple to get on the ballot.

For example, in Louisiana, Nader/Gonzalez writes a check for $500, line up electors—and we’re on the ballot.

But that’s the exception.

Check out the requirements in these nightmare states: (And remember, we need to collect double the number required in each state because many are arbitrarily invalidated.)

Texas, requires 74,108 valid signatures between March 5 and May 8. Deplorably, anyone who has voted in the primary cannot sign the petition.
Oklahoma, requires 43,913 by July 15.
North Carolina requires 69,743 by June 12. In 2000, it cost Pat Buchanan $250,000 to collect enough signatures for ballot access in that state.
Indiana requires 32,742 by June 20.
Georgia requires 42,489 by July 8th







How can we have a choice if certain people are excluded? There are more pertinent issues as well but I don't feel like having a four page long post.
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I'm starting this thread against my better judgment because I would really like to know what specific things people like about their chosen presidential candidate.
FYI – Don’t expect to get a lot of action on this thread. As you will discover, this type of thread is the equivalent of kryptonite to Obama supporters.
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Obama. I just got out of the military and McCain voted against the improved GI bill. Also, our country is looked at as a joke and we need some change.
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