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Old 05-06-2007, 11:41 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Violent Clashes As Sarkozy Celebrates Victory...

Sarkozy, let the clean up begin.


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CLASHES between police and protestors have been reported in central Paris and the southeastern city of Lyon after conservative leader Nicolas Sarkozy was elected French President overnight.

In the Place de la Bastille in Paris riot police fired tear gas and at least one burst of water cannon after hundreds of rioters – some wearing masks – began throwing bottles, stones and other missiles.

Earlier, a small crowd brandishing black and red anarchist flags set fire to an effigy of Mr Sarkozy before tearing it limb from limb and then stamping on it. Demonstrators chanted "police everywhere, justice nowhere".






About 5000 supporters of defeated Socialist party candidate Segolene Royal had gathered in the square to await the election results. Mr Sarkozy beat Ms Royal by 53 per cent of the vote to 47 per cent, according to projections.

The defeated Socialists had portrayed Mr Sarkozy as a danger for France during the election campaign and said he was authoritarian who was likely to exacerbate tensions in the poor, multi-racial suburbs that ring many cities.

Thousands of extra police have been drafted in to patrol sensitive areas following the election result.

Victory celebrations

In another part of central Paris, Mr Sarkozy appeared before cheering crowds in and promised to be "president for all the French without exception".

"This evening is a victory for France," he said to a crowd of 10,000 in the Place de la Concorde.

"I ask you to be generous, to be tolerant, to be fraternal. I ask you to hold out your hand. I ask you to give the image of a France that is united, together, which leaves no-one at the side of the road.

"My dear friends, I have seen victories before in my career. But victory is only beautiful if it is generous. Victory is not vengeance – it is being open in spirit. Victory only has meaning if it is victory for the country in its entirety.

"Millions of French are watching us. Millions of French have placed their trust in us. You must understand that the first people I wish to address are those who did not place their trust in us.

"I want them to understand that I will be a president of the republic for all the French without exception."

Global response

European leaders congratulated Mr Sarkozy on his victory today and hoped his triumph would help unblock reforms stalled by the rejection of the EU constitution in 2005.

US President George W. Bush also telephoned to offer his congratulations and said he expected good relations with the new leader, who has made a priority of repairing the damage to French-US relations caused by tension over the Iraq war.

Mr Sarkozy's election could help re-start the process of finding a way forward on reviving the European Union constitution, which has been held up as Europe awaited the results of the French election.

European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said he was confident Mr Sarkozy would help find a way out of the impasse that has gripped Europe since French and Dutch voters threw out the constitution in referenda two years ago.

"France is back in Europe," Mr Sarkozy said just after his election win.

Mr Sarkozy has proposed a slimmed-down "mini treaty" containing basic institutional reforms that would allow the EU to function properly after its expansion to 27 members. To avoid the need for a second referendum in France, he wants to pass the mini treaty through parliament.
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Old 05-06-2007, 11:42 PM   #2 (permalink)

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Defeated Socialists search for scapegoats

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Let the finger-pointing begin. Ségolène Royal’s defeat on Sunday night left the French Socialist party in disarray and searching for someone to blame. There is hardly a shortage of scapegoats.

It is the party’s third consecutive presidential defeat. The Socialists now face the question of whether they can ever regain power without ditching their anti-capitalist rhetoric, as the mainstream left has done across almost all of Europe.

Ms Royal can argue that she did better than Lionel Jospin, who in 2002 led the Socialists to a humiliating third place behind Jacques Chirac and far-right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen. But France’s main opposition party still faces a wrenching crisis.

”The left is not credible on so many issues, from the 35-hour working week to immigration and law and order,” says Dominique Reynié, professor at Sciences Po university.

“It is the fault of the left collectively. Ever since their [parliamentary election] defeat in 1983 they have never questioned their fundamental ideology, only thinking they needed to change tactics,” he says.

In many ways, Ms Royal, the Senegal-born daughter of an army colonel, seemed to be the tactical masterstroke that could restore the Socialist party to winning ways.

Young and moderate voters were drawn by her Blairist ideas and taste for smashing party taboos on the 35-hour week and young offenders. By embracing the internet to invent a new participative style of campaigning, the glamorous 53-year-old seemed to be breaking the political mould, becoming the first woman with a shot at the Elysée palace.

But Ms Royal failed to capitalise on the buzz around her euphoric victory in November’s Socialist primary, when she was seen as the “gazelle” beating more experienced “elephants” for the presidential nomination. The fierce primary battle, however, left the “elephants” feeling jealous and reluctant to rally behind her.

In the months that followed she lost momentum, committing several gaffes, notably on foreign and economic policy, which sowed the seeds of doubt about her “presidential stature”.

Her campaign was shambolic. There were many last-minute agenda changes and she often arrived late. Socialist staff moaned about her personalised leadership style. An opinion poll found that 63 per cent of voters thought her campaign was poor.

She never seemed able to escape from her party’s rigid ideological barriers. Every time she tried, for instance by suggesting military camps for young offenders, it provoked a volley of criticism from the party apparat.

Moderates attracted to her early campaign were disappointed by her manifesto, filled with generous spending pledges and little indication of how to fund them.

Party disunity exploded into public view when Eric Besson, her economic adviser, quit saying she was “dangerous for France” and joined the Sarkozy campaign.

François Bayrou, the centrist who came third in the first round, cited her economic policies as his reason for not endorsing Ms Royal. “Her manifesto, multiplying the interventions of the state, perpetuating the illusion that the state must take care of everything… runs in the opposite direction to the orientation needed,” he said.

The awkward role of François Hollande, her party leader and father of her four children, seemed to backfire. He claimed she would raise taxes – forcing her to deny it – and she suspended a spokesman for saying Mr Hollande was “her only flaw”.

Ms Royal has always kept her distance from her party. She will remain head of the Poitou-Charentes region and many expect her to retreat to her rural base in western France to wait for the party battles to calm as she mulls a 2012 presidential bid.

Commentators predict the party could now be torn in two, along the lines of the split in the 2005 European referendum, when a large minority rebelled against the official party line and campaigned for a No vote.

”Her defeat will be extremely damaging for the left. Huge divisions will start to emerge at 8pm on Sunday,” says Eric Dupin, author of A Droite Toute, a book on the rightward shift of French voters.

Jean-Marie Colombani, director of Le Monde newspaper, says: “Globalisation is still considered a threat and diabolised as the root of all evil. The left must get out of the ideological impasse in which it has been trapped for too long.”

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it will be pretty interesting not to have french leadership that works tirelessly to oppose and humiliate the US, as well as pander to radical islam. we will have to see what sort of guy sarkozy really is. at one time, chirac looked at least somewhat centrist and pro-american.
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Old 05-07-2007, 12:11 AM   #5 (permalink)

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The "French youth" strike again. Vive la Intifada! Allahu Akhbar.
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Old 05-07-2007, 12:17 AM   #6 (permalink)

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Old 05-07-2007, 12:17 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Waaah, some spoiled brats and anarchists don't think they're getting enough attention, so they throw a temper tantrum by chucking some bottles and starting a few fires. Awww, you might have to get a job and your country might have to start playing a little nicer with the neighbors. Cry me a fucking river. Royal is complicit in this, because her repeated mention of this type of social disorder as a consequence of voting against her almost resembled encouragement at times, and can certainly be seen as a tacitly condoning such activities by her more radical followers. Oh well, it won't last, these types of pseudo-revolutionaries usually blow their wad pretty quickly, get bored, and go home to their parent's houses.

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Old 05-07-2007, 12:41 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Looks like they dont respect democracy. This will probably make him even more popular.
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Old 05-07-2007, 01:14 AM   #9 (permalink)

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Crush the Hippies! Things might get a bit interesting here. It'd be weird to have a France with a pair of balls. That is just odd.
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Old 05-07-2007, 03:04 AM   #10 (permalink)
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The people doing riots overthere will have a hard time with Sarkozy.
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