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Old 09-06-2008, 02:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
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McCain ranked 894 out of 899 at the U.S. Naval Academy, fifth from the bottom.

When your grandfather and father are four-star U.S. Navy admirals, you get cut a lot of slack not to mention favors.
yup and it helped him out alot when he was being tortured for years huh? fail
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Old 09-06-2008, 02:12 PM   #12 (permalink)

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YouTube - POW's Say John McCain Is A Lying Skunk !!!!! HTS 020908 p2

YouTube - Vietnam Veterans Against John "Songbird" McCain

YouTube - John McCain (SongBird McCain) Traitor!

YouTube - Vietnam Veterans Against McCain

Among groups who oppose John McCain, the most serious charges come from a small but fervent cadre of Vietnam POW/MIA activists who accuse him of being a collaborator during his time in the Vietnamese POW camps.
Activists accused McCain of stonewalling the release of POW records because they contained evidence he had collaborated with the North Vietnamese.
They call McCain “Songbird,” and say he received special treatment. Some in the POW community even believe he was brainwashed like Raymond Shaw, the character played by Laurence Harvey in “The Manchurian candidate,” who was used as a tool by the communists to destroy America from within.

The issue boiled over in 1992 after POW families and activists felt they had been mistreated by McCain during hearings before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. In the video above (posted at Vietnam Veterans against McCain) which was apparently shot soon after the hearings, POW advocates and experts, as well as Republican politicians, including then-Rep. Bob Dornan of California, assert that McCain was stonewalling the release of POW documents because his own records included transcripts of interviews he gave to communist and other media outlets in which he said the U.S. military had deliberately bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam.

Pensito Review Vietnam POW Activists Called McCain ‘Songbird’ and ‘Manchurian Candidate’

http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm]John McCain, the Admiral's Son

Dump McCain - Vietnam POW Activists Called McCain ‘Songbird’ and ‘Manchurian Candidate’

The Measure of The Man: Why John McCain doesn’t measure up …. Their Voice: POW/MIA Families Tell Their Stories

I'm not the biggest McCain fan, but this is just disgusting. He spent 5 years in that hole and you people do this? Why don't the dems show some class and go back to attacking a 17 year old girl? If this is what they think will sway independent voters, they are mistaken.
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Old 09-06-2008, 02:25 PM   #13 (permalink)

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I'm not the biggest McCain fan, but this is just disgusting. He spent 5 years in that hole and you people do this? Why don't the dems show some class and go back to attacking a 17 year old girl? If this is what they think will sway independent voters, they are mistaken.
What do you mean "us" people, are you talking about the veterans who hate his guts?

I am just posting what it's out there to balance the lies about Obama you seem to have no problem with.

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Old 09-06-2008, 02:33 PM   #14 (permalink)

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I am just posting what it's out there to balance the Obama lies you seem to have no problem with.
So, you're balancing lies with more lies? Pure class.
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Old 09-06-2008, 02:37 PM   #15 (permalink)
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John McCain has more guts, determination, fortitude in his left nut, than you, Obama, and all the other Democrats will ever have in your entire lives.

He's a true American hero. Respect that.

He didn't throw fake medals over a wall and trash his countrymen when he returned from the war. There are valid questions about Kerry's actions after the war. Kerry himself trashed his own service, trashed his troops, called them murderers when he came home.

McCain served with dignity and honor. McCain even brought this up in his speech. Let's see you withstand torture for days and days with a broken body, a broken will, thousands of miles away from home, living in squalor, barely surviving with little to no hope of ever being set free.

To compare McCain to Kerry is an insult to John McCain. John McCain has honor and integrity. Kerry is a weasel that turned on his country when he came home from the war. That's why the swiftboats had weight behind them, because of Kerry's own actions when he came home from the war. Kerry turned out to be just another anti-USA war, American hating liberal, who paraded around with Jane Fonda trashing our troops while McCain sat in a cell being tortured. Kerry only has himself to blame. He ran as a vietnam vet, with a checkered past of shitting all over the military.


Memo to the Democratic Party:

1. Stop trashing our military and spitting on them. They deserve your respect. Even if you disagree with McCain, respect his sacrifice. He deserves that much.

2. Stop fielding anti war candidates and extreme radicals like Edwards, Kerry, Obama, Biden

Then MAYBE you will have a chance in the next election.
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Old 09-06-2008, 02:38 PM   #16 (permalink)

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John McCain has more guts, determination, fortitude in his left nut, than you, Obama, and all the other Democrats will ever have in your entire lives.

He's a true American hero. Respect that.

He didn't throw fake medals over a wall and trash his countrymen when he returned from the war. There are valid questions about Kerry's actions after the war. Kerry himself trashed his own service, trashed his troops, called them murderers when he came home.

McCain served with dignity and honor. McCain even brought this up in his speech. Let's see you withstand torture for days and days with a broken body, a broken will, thousands of miles away from home, living in squalor, barely surviving with little to no hope of ever being set free.

To compare McCain to Kerry is an insult to John McCain. John McCain has honor and integrity. Kerry is a weasel that turned on his country when he came home from the war. That's why the swiftboats had weight behind them, because of Kerry's own actions when he came home from the war. Kerry turned out to be just another anti-USA war, American hating liberal, who paraded around with Jane Fonda trashing our troops while McCain sat in a cell being tortured. Kerry only has himself to blame. He ran as a vietnam vet, with a checkered past of shitting all over the military.


Memo to the Democratic Party:

1. Stop trashing our military and spitting on them. They deserve your respect. Even if you disagree with McCain, respect his sacrifice. He deserves that much.

2. Stop fielding anti war candidates and extreme radicals like Edwards, Kerry, Obama, Biden

Then MAYBE you will have a chance in the next election.
Someone give this guy his meds back before he goes all taxi driver on someone.
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Old 09-06-2008, 02:38 PM   #17 (permalink)
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If you want BO to get elected I encourage you to keep pushing this.
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:31 PM   #18 (permalink)

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John McCain has more guts, determination, fortitude in his left nut, than you, Obama, and all the other Democrats will ever have in your entire lives.

He's a true American hero. Respect that.

He didn't throw fake medals over a wall and trash his countrymen when he returned from the war. There are valid questions about Kerry's actions after the war. Kerry himself trashed his own service, trashed his troops, called them murderers when he came home.

McCain served with dignity and honor. McCain even brought this up in his speech. Let's see you withstand torture for days and days with a broken body, a broken will, thousands of miles away from home, living in squalor, barely surviving with little to no hope of ever being set free.

To compare McCain to Kerry is an insult to John McCain. John McCain has honor and integrity. Kerry is a weasel that turned on his country when he came home from the war. That's why the swiftboats had weight behind them, because of Kerry's own actions when he came home from the war. Kerry turned out to be just another anti-USA war, American hating liberal, who paraded around with Jane Fonda trashing our troops while McCain sat in a cell being tortured. Kerry only has himself to blame. He ran as a vietnam vet, with a checkered past of shitting all over the military.


Memo to the Democratic Party:

1. Stop trashing our military and spitting on them. They deserve your respect. Even if you disagree with McCain, respect his sacrifice. He deserves that much.

2. Stop fielding anti war candidates and extreme radicals like Edwards, Kerry, Obama, Biden

Then MAYBE you will have a chance in the next election.
Excellent post - I'm not a McCain supporter but he's a better man than Kerry by a long shot.
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:47 PM   #19 (permalink)
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The Manchurian candidate stuff and baseless claims are too far. These people should be pushing for disclosure of the military records as a matter of transparency in trying to pick someone to lead our country. Criticize him for stonewalling, not speculating about what it could or could not contain.
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Old 09-06-2008, 04:09 PM   #20 (permalink)

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Can we have a little basic respect for the two candidates please?
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