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Originally Posted by Piper
When the BNP is the only alternative to the incompetent appeasing corrupt political establishment that is now in power in Britain, where else do people have to turn.
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The BNP are not the only the only alternative in Britain, though. There is the Conservative Party, currently looking like it's about to become the next governing party of Britain. Their policies will be to the right of the current Labour government though I doubt they'll go as far as the "kick 'em all out and lock the door" immigration policy of the BNP. Further to the right of the Conservatives (but, again, not quite as far as the BNP) is the United Kingdom Independence Party, largely concerned with a Euro-sceptic agenda, they also embrace the same anti-Muslim opportunism of the BNP to further their cause.
These parties aren't as extreme as the BNP (you can join them if you aren't white, for example) but they are certainly likely to take a tougher stance on immigration than the governing Labour party.
Your statement above also suggests that the BNP would be an alternative to the corruption and incompetence of the current political establishment but how do you know that?
How do you know the BNP are remotely competent or incorruptible?
I reckon that collection of bootboy thugs and fascistic fantasists would run Britain into the fucking ground if they ever had any real power. Most British people feel the same way, which is why they'll never win anything other than isolated protest votes.
With a far-right party in power, the UK would be subject to widespread censure by the international community. We'd have no friends in Europe or America and civil unrest at home would hardly abate when people realised that a bunch of ultra-rightwing morons were systematically ruining one of the richest countries in the world.
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Originally Posted by Piper
Also, the BNP is doing a good job of cleaning up its image, and isolating or repudiating the worst characters that have registered as BNP. The general voting public will be willing to ignore the extremists in favor of a change.
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I agree that, under the leadership of Nick Griffin, the BNP has undergone quite an image makeover. They no longer publically espouse overtly white supremacist ideas and Griffin seems to have back-pedalled on his Holocaust denial. (I even hear they now consider third/fourth generation black people in the UK British in a 'civic' sense. That's not British enough to join their party but, hey, it's progress right?)
However, you have to ask yourself, which is more likely; that the British National Party and all it's long time members have undergone some kind of fundamental, Damascene conversion and abandoned their prior commitment to racism and British white supremacy or that they have merely buried their sincere bigotry, Nazi sympathies, anti-Semitism, etc. for reasons of political efficacy and focused on a current platform of anti-Islam as a means to an end?
I don't doubt they are sincere in their opposition to Muslims, I just feel that they remain hostile to many groups that don't meet their criteria of true 'Britishness' but they have to keep that under wraps for the moment.
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Originally Posted by Piper
If things get critical, and Britain the the place most likely for this to occur, then Britain will be in the same situation Germany was in the 1930s when the Weimar Republic was failing. The choice then was to be taken over by the communists funded and armed by Stalin's Russia, or do we vote for the Nazis who are sons-of-bitches but at least our own sons-of-bitches? You know how the Germans eventually voted. You are starting to see the change in the direction of voters in Britain and elsewhere in Europe. Will they allow their countries to be invaded by the immigration of Islamists and undermined and destroyed - while their liberal left incompetent leaders let it happen - or throw out the left by voting in the right?
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I don't think Britain will be remotely analogous to Weimar Germany, this is another of your lurid doomsday fantasies.
Frankly, I think myself and anyone else from the UK who has read this pro-BNP stuff have been rather patient with a bunch people from other countries urging us to vote for fascism as the only defense against Islamism.
Even if it wasn't the BNP we were being advised was 'our only chance' (and all that crap) it would still be bad form.
As a British national, I have resolutely stayed out of every thread on these boards about Obama, Clinton, McCain, Ron Paul, etc. because I don't feel I know enough about the politics and the candidates and, ultimately, because it would be inappropriate for me to offer an opinion on which candidate would be the best for your country.
Try and extend us Brits the same courtesy.
