[Crimsonsabbath]

Originally Posted by brackis1

And the worst way to measure a population is by assuming many people are like Sean Sherk...

Haha, it's true I do question how many bodybuilders you see in Canada. ;)

I just had a buddy out of college that went into the Marines, he was a defensive end and was ripped. But they made him lose 20lbs of muscle-mass because according to their BMI requirements he was "overweight". It was crazy, they made him be less athletic to meet their athletics standards.

[Zankou]

Originally Posted by Crimsonsabbath

Interesting, but, BMI is the worst way to measure bodyfat. Sean Sherk would be considered obese by BMI.

I agree, but that's the same measure the US uses. It's a terrible measure for anyone remotely athletic. I myself am 6'1 and 195, and considered "overweight" and borderline obese by the US BMI scale, though in reality I'm wiry as hell due to training BJJ.

[Crimsonsabbath]

Originally Posted by brackis1

Except you are when you try to "excuse" the stats based on black americans rather than saying something productive about why this is, and what should be done about it. Blame it all on the minorities, that's the only problem folk.

Further, a state like Texas has 11% blacks to PA's 10% yet the #s for the charts are vastly different.

Yeah, demographics have nothing to do with it.

It has to do with the fact that down south we like our BBQ and our fried chicken.

[b0st0n]

I downloaded the raw data in Excel format from National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) Home Page, a part of the U.S. Department of Education and used Microsoft Mappoint to recreate one map and create two additional maps.

The first map shows shows the percent of adults with HS diploma or higher, this shows the same information as one of the maps in the OP.


The second map shows the % increase in adults with a HS diploma or higher from 2000 - 2005.


The third map shows the % increase in adults with a HS diploma or higher from 1990 - 2005.


Does the first map indicate that southern "Republicans" are backwards and ignorant, because they have a large percentage of their population that are not HS graduates? You could view it that way, or you could say that for many decades possessing a HS diploma wasn't seen as necessary, because youths were needed to help support the family and there were plenty of good paying jobs in furniture factories, textile mills.

Does the third map indicate that southern Republican states are "outperforming" other states over this time frame, or does it indicate that souther states were historically lower performing and simply had more room for improvement? The answer depends on your perspective, and what side of the debate you are trying support.

There are three types of liars, “Liars, damn liars, and statistics” ~ Mark Twain

[Saith]

Nice maps.

You'd also expect higher educated people to move places like New York and California where there are more business opportunities for educated people.

[busdriver01]

Originally Posted by b0st0n

I downloaded the raw data in Excel format from National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) Home Page, a part of the U.S. Department of Education and used Microsoft Mappoint to recreate one map and create two additional maps.

The first map shows shows the percent of adults with HS diploma or higher, this shows the same information as one of the maps in the OP.


The second map shows the % increase in adults with a HS diploma or higher from 2000 - 2005.


The third map shows the % increase in adults with a HS diploma or higher from 1990 - 2005.


Does the first map indicate that southern "Republicans" are backwards and ignorant, because they have a large percentage of their population that are not HS graduates? You could view it that way, or you could say that for many decades possessing a HS diploma wasn't seen as necessary, because youths were needed to help support the family and there were plenty of good paying jobs in furniture factories, textile mills.

Does the third map indicate that southern Republican states are "outperforming" other states over this time frame, or does it indicate that souther states were historically lower performing and simply had more room for improvement? The answer depends on your perspective, and what side of the debate you are trying support.

There are three types of liars, “Liars, damn liars, and statistics” ~ Mark Twain

Facts are funny like that.