[DPK325]

And by the way, Ohio will never outlaw abortion. It's the dumbest move the republicans could make. They are in control right now, but by doing so, all the crazy democrats who warned about it happening for so long will finally have credibility. MANY conservative women, especially libertarians, along with moderate republicans will change sides, AND it still might be overturned in court.
By the way, a funny fact - the privacy right from Roe v. Wade that was used to create the abortion right was a relic from the Lochner era of conservative supreme court juststices who used privacy/substantive due process to strike down minimum wage (you should have the PRIVACY to make whatever contract you want.) So where did they get it from? Seems poetic that the thing they invented to beat minimum wage is getting used against them now in abortion. so I can't pity them You bend the rules and they'll get bent back

[DPK325]

Originally Posted by ChiefStrategist

Good to see your advocating killing retarded children, or Children with possible Birth defects. Maybe next you can abort all the kids in utero who won't become blonde haired and blue eyed too.

how are diseases comparable to eye and hair color? slippery slope arguments are great. Here's one: if you don't let women get abortion, pretty soon they wont be able to get birth control either, because i can see into the future!

[Stoic1]

Good to see ChiefStrat has flown completely off the handle and straw manned the opposition's position.

[ChiefStrategist]

Originally Posted by DPK325

how are diseases comparable to eye and hair color? slippery slope arguments are great. Here's one: if you don't let women get abortion, pretty soon they wont be able to get birth control either, because i can see into the future!

I'd love to see women use birth control as opposed to abortion. My entire stance on abortion is predecated on the fact that with it, people are allowed to be irresponsible and not live with consequences they make. Get drunk, knock up some broad...who cares right...nothing a vacuum and a syringe won't take care of...hell we can be fuckin again in no time right?

I'm glad to see you "progressives" believe you are smarter than nature, and that man somehow > nature. Pretty egotistical I'd say, but you know whats best for everyone else don't you.

Children are not shopped for you moron. You don't get to pick and choose what type of child you get to have. You have to some kind of arrogant punk to think otherwise (hence the eyes/hair argument) Don't want a retarded baby? Fuck it....*****Suction Noises*****

I don't want a Brown eyed baby...shit!!!! *******Suction Noises*******

My son is not gonna be an all american linebacker? Shit *********Suction********


Get it?

[DPK325]

Originally Posted by ChiefStrategist

I'd love to see women use birth control as opposed to abortion. My entire stance on abortion is predecated on the fact that with it, people are allowed to be irresponsible and not live with consequences they make. Get drunk, knock up some broad...who cares right...nothing a vacuum and a syringe won't take care of...hell we can be fuckin again in no time right?

well my whole point was that slippery slope arugments work that way - not what you believe about if the arguments are good ideas. Slippery slope arguments are stupid - outliawing abortion doenst neceassarily mean outlawing birth control will ever happen. I was using that as an example to show the weakness of your slippery slope that says if we abort sick babies, we'll necessarily start aborting ugly ones too, but I guess you missed that. I question that you understand what a slipper slope argument is and why i was bashing them in this message.

Originally Posted by ChiefStrategist

I'm glad to see you "progressives" believe you are smarter than nature, and that man somehow > nature. Pretty egotistical I'd say, but you know whats best for everyone else don't you.

First of all, smarter than nature? that doesnt even make sense. nature isnt a system of thoughts, it's a system of accidents and failures that left the strongest to survive. Do I think I am stronger and smarter than the state of nature, which is always improving? Sure I do. What are you, a christian scientist? You don't believe that our scientists are better at curing cancer than just lettig nature take its course? Geez, how egotistical of us to think that our odds of curing cancer are better than nature's.

Originally Posted by ChiefStrategist

Children are not shopped for you moron.

Ah, the personal insult. I had almost forgotten aboutthese since I have been in law school, where even your opponents are well informed enough not to have to stoop to that. Be proud of yourself.

Originally Posted by ChiefStrategist

You don't get to pick and choose what type of child you get to have. You have to some kind of arrogant punk to think otherwise (hence the eyes/hair argument) Don't want a retarded baby? Fuck it....*****Suction Noises*****

I don't want a Brown eyed baby...shit!!!! *******Suction Noises*******

My son is not gonna be an all american linebacker? Shit *********Suction********


Get it?

Yes, but I don't think you do. That is called a slippery slope argument - the idea that if we start doing one thing (legalizing marriage for gays), soon we will be doing another (legalizing marriage for turtles!). I understand that killing a baby for health reasons can be an issue that bothers you. However, don't try to act like killing a baby who is about to be born with AIDS and has a 5 year life expectency is the same as killing a baby because he has fully functioning brown eyes. If you don't understand why that is a silly argument, I guess that is why you will always be making it on MMA forums, and I'll be doing it in front of the Superior Court.

[DPK325]

Originally Posted by ChiefStrategist

I'd love to see women use birth control as opposed to abortion. My entire stance on abortion is predecated on the fact that with it, people are allowed to be irresponsible and not live with consequences they make. Get drunk, knock up some broad...who cares right...nothing a vacuum and a syringe won't take care of...hell we can be fuckin again in no time right?

what i dont like about this attitude, an attitude I myself had about 10 years ago, is it is treating the baby like a punishment. We are forcing them to have the baby as a punishment for their choice. Well how are they going to treat that baby? It's a punishment, we are giving it to them purely because they don't want it! So now the baby gets to grow up as an unwanted baby with a family who sees him as a burden - HE is the one with the ultimate punishment. Plus, he will grow up with a very bad monetary situation, since the same politicians who love to force out babies are the last ones to help support them...never understood that either.

[ChiefStrategist]

Originally Posted by DPK325

well my whole point was that slippery slope arugments work that way - not what you believe about if the arguments are good ideas. Slippery slope arguments are stupid - outliawing abortion doenst neceassarily mean outlawing birth control will ever happen. I was using that as an example to show the weakness of your slippery slope that says if we abort sick babies, we'll necessarily start aborting ugly ones too, but I guess you missed that. I question that you understand what a slipper slope argument is and why i was bashing them in this message.

First of all, smarter than nature? that doesnt even make sense. nature isnt a system of thoughts, it's a system of accidents and failures that left the strongest to survive. Do I think I am stronger and smarter than the state of nature, which is always improving? Sure I do. What are you, a christian scientist? You don't believe that our scientists are better at curing cancer than just lettig nature take its course? Geez, how egotistical of us to think that our odds of curing cancer are better than nature's.
Ah, the personal insult. I had almost forgotten aboutthese since I have been in law school, where even your opponents are well informed enough not to have to stoop to that. Be proud of yourself.

Yes, but I don't think you do. That is called a slippery slope argument - the idea that if we start doing one thing (legalizing marriage for gays), soon we will be doing another (legalizing marriage for turtles!). I understand that killing a baby for health reasons can be an issue that bothers you. However, don't try to act like killing a baby who is about to be born with AIDS and has a 5 year life expectency is the same as killing a baby because he has fully functioning brown eyes. If you don't understand why that is a silly argument, I guess that is why you will always be making it on MMA forums, and I'll be doing it in front of the Superior Court.

Being the fine law student you are, then I'm certain you understand precedence right? Will said events happen? Who knows, but the precedent is now set, and you open the door for future legislation of turtle marriage or aborting at will. Classic case of not seeing the forest through the trees

[nofatchicks]

slow news day in ohio?

[nofatchicks]

Originally Posted by punkmother

ohio has, historically speaking, the craziest sons of bitches in office.

are you saying Jerry Springer, former mayor of Cincinnati, is crazy?

[Das Uberdog]

Originally Posted by ChiefStrategist

I'd love to see women use birth control as opposed to abortion. My entire stance on abortion is predecated on the fact that with it, people are allowed to be irresponsible and not live with consequences they make. Get drunk, knock up some broad...who cares right...nothing a vacuum and a syringe won't take care of...hell we can be fuckin again in no time right?

you have expressed this sentiment many times on this forum, and even though it has been countered with a reasonable argument, you still persist in bringing it up. it is not a sensible reason to make abortion illegal. in fact, it is not even an accurate description of the situation.

i'll break it down into very simple terms for you, because i can only assume that you didn't understand previous incarnations of this post.

having sex is an action
getting pregnant is a possible consequence for this action
having a child is a possible outcome of that consequence
having an abortion is also a possible outcome of that conseqence

it is physically impossible for a female NOT to deal with the consequence (pregnancy) of an action (sex). a male can flee the scene and hope he isn't found, but a female must DO SOMETHING with regards to the situation. how is DOING SOMETHING to remedy a situation "not living with consequences"?

now i will ask you a question: do you think that if someone gets drunk and falls down the stairs, that they should be allowed to pay for medical care? shouldn't they have to live with the consequences of their action? why should they get the easy way out, a cast on the arm for a few weeks and they're free to get drunk and fall down the stairs again? shouldn't they have to suffer too? aren't there consequences to having poor balance while intoxicated and attempting to navigate stairs?