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Old 04-19-2007, 01:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Second Amendment In Danger Under Anti-Gun Bush

Gun control advocates should love the President
Steve Watson
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Thursday, April 19, 2007

In the wake of the tragic shooting massacre in Virginia this week gun control advocates have once again come crawling out of the woodwork to capitalize on the ill informed and automated response of blaming the destructiveness of a mentally ill person's rampage on the second amendment.

The problem is that the gun control advocates are preaching to the converted when they clamor and claw at the government to restrict gun ownership in America.

Gun control advocates should applaud Bush for what he has done for their cause, instead they reveal the enormity of the false left/right paradigm that exists in US politics by berating him and his ilk as right wing gun nuts.

Many point to the fact that Bush allowed the assault weapons ban to expire in 2004 as an indication that he caved in to the NRA. John Kerry even accused Bush of conspiring to "chose his powerful friends in the gun lobby over the police officers and families that he promised to protect."

In Reality Bush wanted to renew(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3013559.stm) the assault weapons ban but was forced to let it expire when it became clear that he may not retain office in 2004 should he alienate core Republican voters.

At the time Bush was applauded(http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=32170) by Democratic Senators Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer for his stance.

The assault weapons ban is just one of the numerous anti-gun positions taken by the Bush Administration. Additional examples include disarming airline pilots, forfeiting gun rights for misdemeanors, and arguing that the total DC gun ban is a reasonable restriction on the 2nd Amendment.

Speaking in late 2005 on the topic of the second amendment, former Republican Congressman, CIA official and board member on the NRA Bob Barr(http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...riandanger.htm) said that his position had enabled him to judge the difference between how the Clinton and Bush administration's approached the issue of gun control. Barr echoed the sentiments of many other prominent conservatives in expressing his frustration about how the Bush administration was even more anti-second amendment than the Clinton office.

"it's my impression to be honest with you, and this is confirmed by a lot of folks who are involved very heavily in regulatory matters involving firearms, that it is more difficult dealing with this administration than it was dealing with the prior administration."

In the past another Republican Congressman, and now Presidential candidate, Ron Paul has accused(http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...5slamsbush.htm) the Bush administration of attempting to set in motion a militarized police state in America by enacting gun confiscation martial law provisions in the event of emergencies such as an avian flu pandemic or natural disasters.

"I think they're concerned about the remnant, the remnant of those individuals who don't buy into stuff and think that they should take care of themselves on their own, that they should have their own guns and their own provisions and they don't want to depend on the government at all and I think that is a threat to those who want to hold power. They don't want any resistance to their authoritarian rule."

Paul, a staunch gun-rights supporter, has previously blasted the administration's position on so-called "assault weapons" while claiming it is gun-rights oriented as hypocritical.

In making his point, Paul quoted Georgetown University professor Robert Levy, who recently offered this comparison: "Suppose the Second Amendment said, 'A well-educated electorate being necessary for self-governance in a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed.' Is there anyone who would suggest that means only registered voters have a right to read?"

"Tortured interpretations of the Second Amendment cannot change the fact that both the letter of the amendment itself and the legislative history conclusively show that the Founders intended ordinary citizens to be armed," said Paul.
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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George Bush doesn't care about armed people.
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I didn't read the whole article but "In Reality Bush wanted to renew(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3013559.stm) the assault weapons ban but was forced to let it expire when it became clear that he may not retain office in 2004 should he alienate core Republican voters." thats a load of shit , If he wanted renew it he would have.
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:48 PM   #4 (permalink)

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I didn't read the whole article but "In Reality Bush wanted to renew(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3013559.stm) the assault weapons ban but was forced to let it expire when it became clear that he may not retain office in 2004 should he alienate core Republican voters." thats a load of shit , If he wanted renew it he would have.
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His refusal to directly oppose the assault weapon ban was one of the top reasons I voted Libertarian in 2000. If a politician doesnt have the desire or fortitude to make a stand in the campaign he will not make that stand during the tenure.
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I didn't read the whole article but "In Reality Bush wanted to renew(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3013559.stm) the assault weapons ban but was forced to let it expire when it became clear that he may not retain office in 2004 should he alienate core Republican voters." thats a load of shit , If he wanted renew it he would have.
I don't know about this. Bush would have been dumb to sign this legislation. Bush might be an arrogant and distant leader but he isn't dumb enough to align himself against (a) guns; (b) Jesus or (c) capitalism. It’s his bread and butter.
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are "assault weapons" automatic firearms? Why does society need them? The 2nd ammendment was written a long time ago. Wouldn't gun advocates concede that with the myriad options of firearms that gun control (although doesn't seem to fully work) makes sense?
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are "assault weapons" automatic firearms? Why does society need them? The 2nd ammendment was written a long time ago. Wouldn't gun advocates concede that with the myriad options of firearms that gun control (although doesn't seem to fully work) makes sense?
A lot of things being outlawed for being dangerous "assault weapons" are anything but. For example, pistol grips being made illegal as are certain stocks, iirc. Hell, I dont even think you can buy a psg1 anymore since rumors circulated about it being able to shoot down a plane.
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As far as I know, "assault weapon" is the anti-gun term for any rifle with a flash suppressor or a bayonet lug. Automatic weapons have been banned since around the '40s, and the "assault weapon" ban had nothing to do with that.

It's a non-issue that has nothing to do with the American violent crime problem.
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Old 04-19-2007, 04:24 PM   #10 (permalink)

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GWB is not the friend of individual rights at all. This includes the right to self-defense. I'm just wondering when the Bush-bots will figure this out.
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