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Old 05-13-2008, 07:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A NON Atheist or creationist debate about religion

Honestly who is anyone to tell a person their god is the only way to heaven,its pretty dumb almost all religions preety much say the same thing,I think their is a god but not the god that any religion tells you about.This unviverse and all the matter in it did not just pop in existence and I cant find any person that can awnser this question "ok if the big bang started the universe and it was all at one point the singularity then were did the matter and energy come from in the first place" I would like to see any sherdoger give a sane anwser to that question and I know not one of you will.keeping on topic thou religion is stupid

I had a few morman kids on a "mission" knock on my door,I anwserd the door and they asked if they could come in and talk about god,I told them I was catholic(wich I'm not)they then told me that I was going to hell and started talking about the book of morman I interupted with this "your religion is only 300 years old at best and you mean to tell me that your religion has discoverd in the last 300 years the only way to get heaven ? they were pretty stumped(I hate 18year old kids that think they know it all) they started trying to change the subject,I said I would convert only if they could hook me up with one of those hot 19 year old morman virgens.......they didint like that comment to much
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Old 05-13-2008, 07:14 PM   #2 (permalink)

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Honestly who is anyone to tell a person their god is the only way to heaven,its pretty dumb almost all religions preety much say the same thing,I think their is a god but not the god that any religion tells you about.This unviverse and all the matter in it did not just pop in existence and I cant find any person that can awnser this question "ok if the big bang started the universe and it was all at one point the singularity then were did the matter and energy come from in the first place" I would like to see any sherdoger give a sane anwser to that question and I know not one of you will.keeping on topic thou religion is stupid

I had a few morman kids on a "mission" knock on my door,I anwserd the door and they asked if they could come in and talk about god,I told them I was catholic(wich I'm not)they then told me that I was going to hell and started talking about the book of morman I interupted with this "your religion is only 300 years old at best and you mean to tell me that your religion has discoverd in the last 300 years the only way to get heaven ? they were pretty stumped(I hate 18year old kids that think they know it all) they started trying to change the subject,I said I would convert only if they could hook me up with one of those hot 19 year old morman virgens.......they didint like that comment to much
i have a t-shirt that says "joseph smith: Origional Pimp" for just such an occasion... works like a charm.
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You clearly dont understand Biblical Christianity. The exclusivity of Jesus Christ is central and foundational. He stated himself " No man comes to the Father except through me". The Apostle Peter said it this way " Salvation is found in noone else. For there is no other name men are given ( except Christ ) whereby they can be saved. " Acts 4:12. There are dozens of other scriptures that I could list that teach this central doctrine.

The idea that all religions are spokes in a wheel leading to the same hub ( God ) is nothing new. It's been around a long time. It sounds good but it's a complete lie. Call me what you will but if a building is on fire and theres one way out, I am not narrow minded to tell you about it.

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Old 05-13-2008, 07:42 PM   #4 (permalink)

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its pretty dumb almost all religions preety much say the same thing,I think their is a god but not the god that any religion tells you about.
Not true.

Christians and Muslims are the only ones who are arrogant enough to make claims of exclusivity although both religions make little if no sense (Christianity making less sense with its 3=1 polytheistic trinity, God being a dead Jewish guy, creationism, the earth being 6000 years old, Jesus "dying for our sins" yet was resurrected a few days later (and hence didnt die, etc).

Eastern religions are inclusive, meaning that they are pluralistic and accept other paths as legitimate. In Hinduism itself one can find polytheism, monotheism, pantheism, non-dualism, henotheism, and even atheism (the Carvaka school of Hindu atheism is the worlds first established atheistic doctrine). Buddhism (orthodox) places no importance on God.

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This unviverse and all the matter in it did not just pop in existence and I cant find any person that can awnser this question "ok if the big bang started the universe and it was all at one point the singularity then were did the matter and energy come from in the first place" I would like to see any sherdoger give a sane anwser to that question and I know not one of you will.keeping on topic thou religion is stupid
It came from a different universe. Many theories state the various universes that exist (an infinite amount) continually die/are re-born or reset.

There are also various theories of time. Your question is based on the assumption that time is linear. There are some theories that state there are two dimensions to time, others state that time does not follow a straight line but is cyclical, and other yet state that time does not exist and is an illusion (there is only the present, and no past and no future).

We then have the issue of matter, which per some theories is simply an illusion in-of-itself and is not particle but wave Waves themselves are energy.

As of now, the most plausible theory is that energy has existed infinitely and various universes have recycled themselves throughout eternity. Matter is an illussion and so is time.

This solves all of your questions. Ofcourse, all of these are theories, but theories that are based on complex mathematics, not fairytales or blind-faith.
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Right!!! Smoke a little more weed!! The computer you are looking at isn't real either?
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These are theories of physics that are based complex mathematical equations, not the ramblings of a pothead or a religious nut from the ancient near-east.

But then again, you believe that a dead-Jewish guy is God. Apparently that is "normal".
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These "theories" are based on " hollow philosophies instead of on what Christ has said". As Sagan said " We will follow science wherever it leads unless it leads to a Creator"
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They are based on mathematics, which describe reality quite well.

There is no math that explains a creator, because a creator doesn't exist. A creator doesn't exist because such notions rely on assumption of linear time and fixed-masses of energy that exist independently of everything else, the former becoming more improbable as the days go on and the latter simply being nonsensical and contrary to science. The only math for God that exists is that of a pantheistic or monistic God, which is abstract/impersonal and more like "the force" in Star Wars than the angry, childish dictator of the Bible, OT, or Quran.

May the force be with you.
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Adren@line its funny you should bring up the time thing. Me and my friend had a all night debate about whether or time really does exist. I say no I think it is a man made mathmatical function placed on a naturaly accuring thing. And leap year and daylight savings time are the corretions of the flaw in the system.
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