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Old 01-07-2007, 05:39 PM   #1 (permalink)

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Scientist: NASA found life on Mars - and killed it

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Two NASA space probes that visited Mars 30 years ago may have found alien microbes on the Red Planet and inadvertently killed them, a scientist is theorizing.

The Viking space probes of 1976-77 were looking for the wrong kind of life, so they didn't recognize it, a geology professor at Washington State University said.

Dirk Schulze-Makuch presented his theory in a paper delivered at a meeting of the American Astronomical Society in Seattle, Washington.

The paper was released Sunday.

Based on a more expansive view of where life can take root, the paper's findings may prompt NASA to look for a different type of Martian life when its next spacecraft to visit Mars is launched later this year, one of the space agency's top scientists said.

Last month, scientists excitedly reported that new photographs of Mars showed geologic changes that suggest water occasionally flows there -- the most tantalizing sign that Mars is hospitable to life.

In the 1970s, the Viking mission found no signs of life.

But it was looking for Earth-like life, in which salt water is the internal liquid of living cells.

Given the cold dry conditions of Mars, life could have evolved on Mars with the key internal fluid consisting of a mix of water and hydrogen peroxide, said Schulze-Makuch.

That's because a water-hydrogen peroxide mix stays liquid at very low temperatures, or -68 degrees Fahrenheit, and doesn't destroy cells when it freezes. It can suck water vapor out of the air.

The Viking experiments of the 1970s wouldn't have noticed hydrogen peroxide-based life and, in fact, would have killed it by drowning and overheating the microbes, said Schulze-Makuch.

One Viking experiment seeking life on Mars poured water on soil. That would have essentially drowned hydrogen peroxide-based life, he said. And different experiment heated the soil to see if something would happen which would have baked Martian microbes.

"The problem was that they didn't have any clue about the environment on Mars at that time," Schulze-Makuch said. "This kind of adaptation makes sense from a biochemical viewpoint."

Even Earth has something somewhat related. He points to an Earth bug called the bombardier beetle that produces a boiling-hot spray that is 25 percent hydrogen peroxide as a defense weapon.

Schulze-Makuch acknowledges he can't prove that Martian microbes exist, but given the Martian environment and how evolution works, "it makes sense."

In recent years, scientists have found life on Earth in conditions that were once thought too harsh, such as an ultra-acidic river in Spain and ice-covered lakes in Antarctica.

Schulze-Makuch's research coincides with work being completed by a National Research Council panel nicknamed the "weird life" committee. The group worries that scientists may be too Earth-centric when looking for extraterrestrial life.

The problem for scientists is that "you only find what you're looking for," said Penn State University geosciences professor Katherine Freeman, a reviewer of the NRC work.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/01/07/m....ap/index.html
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Old 01-07-2007, 05:47 PM   #2 (permalink)

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In recent years, scientists have found life on Earth in conditions that were once thought too harsh, such as an ultra-acidic river in Spain and ice-covered lakes in Antarctica.http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/01/07/m....ap/index.html
This backs up my biggest complaint about most theories/searches for life outside earth; why do the scientists always assume that if a planet doesn't have similar temperatures/atmosphere/water/elements as our earth... there CAN'T be life?

Why can't life grow in +1000 degrees? or -1000 degrees? Why can't life be sustained with some other element than water? Why not live symbiotically with rocks or crystals, or even a gaseous atmosphere?

I realize you have to narrow down your search perameters... but still it boggles me how fast they are to dismiss the possibility of life just because a planet doesn't match our own.

Good article, thx.
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This backs up my biggest complaint about most theories/searches for life outside earth; why do the scientists always assume that if a planet doesn't have similar temperatures/atmosphere/water/elements as our earth... there CAN'T be life?

Why can't life grow in +1000 degrees? or -1000 degrees? Why can't life be sustained with some other element than water? Why not live symbiotically with rocks or crystals, or even a gaseous atmosphere?

I realize you have to narrow down your search perameters... but still it boggles me how fast they are to dismiss the possibility of life just because a planet doesn't match our own.

Good article, thx.
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Old 01-07-2007, 08:01 PM   #4 (permalink)

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I agree that we really have no clue as to what alien life actually consists of, and what it needs to survive. I think even planets with extreme environments such as venus could host forms of life that have adapted to it.
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Old 01-07-2007, 08:08 PM   #5 (permalink)

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Or perhaps 'life' could be in the atmospheres themselves! Jupiter could be a massive collection of gaseous lifeforms moving and dancing right in front of us, but all we see is giant storms of gas and atmosphere, and preemptively conclude that its dumb and dead.
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Old 01-07-2007, 10:43 PM   #7 (permalink)

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This backs up my biggest complaint about most theories/searches for life outside earth; why do the scientists always assume that if a planet doesn't have similar temperatures/atmosphere/water/elements as our earth... there CAN'T be life?

Why can't life grow in +1000 degrees? or -1000 degrees? Why can't life be sustained with some other element than water? Why not live symbiotically with rocks or crystals, or even a gaseous atmosphere?

I realize you have to narrow down your search perameters... but still it boggles me how fast they are to dismiss the possibility of life just because a planet doesn't match our own.

Good article, thx.
I guess the question is what do we define as life? If you define common things such as crystals and gases as life, then why bother looking for it at all?
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